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Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 4:17 pm What is thelwell job is it not the boss of all footballing activities in the club surely he has to be in contact with 777 or moshiri or whoever is in charge this guy is taking us down like what was said above a new boss new freshness to the football is what we need surely it’s in dyche contract that if he is performing so poorly he can be sacked for a certain level of compensation

What are the metrics for poor performance ? No Premiership manager is going to sign a contract for poor performance, he’s on £5m a year plus the cost of his backroom staff, Thelwell has no authority to approve such a sum and 777 have nothing to say in the matter even if they were inclined to agree that he should be sacked. Don’t let it consume you, it’s a moot point.

Apparently the Esk has said thelwell is looking for a way out.

The Esk is notoriously wrong when he tries to play ITK like this but it wouldn’t surprise me either.

Certainly been nothing substantial for people to be worrying about.

Sure a lot of people are looking for a way out of everton. Not many stock has risen while they've been here so they can't get comparable money. Can't imagine Thelwall would he in great demand

Pretty sure we can’t afford to fire him if we wanted to.

Best case scenario is we just keep scraping through without costing much money or opportunity until we are at square one and try from there.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 5:50 pm Sure a lot of people are looking for a way out of everton. Not many stock has risen while they've been here so they can't get comparable money. Can't imagine Thelwall would he in great demand

What’s he supposed to do here though? Even the academy has been guttered.

Players, directors of football, managers, none of them are given an environment to flourish.

TheRam wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:29 pm What’s he supposed to do here though? Even the academy has been guttered.

Players, directors of football, managers, none of them are given an environment to flourish.

Not even saying he's been bad. It's obviously hard to judge given its an absolute shitshow. Can't imagine he's in line for being poached by a club willing to pay similar money though

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 6:53 pm Not even saying he's been bad. It's obviously hard to judge given its an absolute shitshow. Can't imagine he's in line for being poached by a club willing to pay similar money though

I mean his CV is nothing to write home about really compared to Marcel Brands. Bit of coaching at PNE, Derby, Wolves, then whatever he did at Red Bull New York. Probably decent enough for where we are but not sure he’s going to find a better Premiership club.

Duncan Ferguson is available again isn't he?

Get him in before Burnley, he won a match once

Burnley match is tomorrow afternoon mate, what do you expect he can do ?

(Ah, you were being sarcastic right ? )

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:21 am We will soon be 2 points deductions in. We face either making 100m on sales or a points deduction next season and probably seasons after that too. You're complaining we haven't improved (we really have) and that we are edging towards relegation? Where the fuck do people think this version of everton should be. Clubs fucked. The manager and the players all deserve better. At the very least they deserve to be able to keep all the points they win. Let's not pretend otherwise

I’m complaining that we have gone 13 games without a win. Any other club would have parted with their manager by now. I’m not saying he can go now as we don’t have a lot to piss in and no one we bring in will give us a marked increase in staying up.

But to argue that we should give him another season is madness. I can’t see how he can improve us with another season.

Gash wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:20 pm And yet despite all the trouble at the club he's actually edged us away from relegation compared to the previous few seasons despite the club having to sell our best players and work the loan market.

It's too easy to just say "he needs to go", without knowing anything that's going to happen over the coming weeks and months. He's had to work with one hand tied behind his back but without a points deduction we'd be 10 points clear of relegation even after a bad run and all but safe with 8 games still to go, five of which are against a club one place above us and the four below us. Even if we get hit with another deduction it's still massively in our hands.

It's not been pretty at times and gets tough when a club gets into a bad run but we'll never know how much the off field stuff has affected the players and coaches but I'd be hugely surprised if it hasn't.

All fair points. I know he has been dealt a tough hand but 13 games winless is concerning. Tactically he hasn’t shown that he is flexible to stop the rot. Next year will be even more challenging as the teams coming up are much better than what is at the bottom now.

Everton has been too reactive and it has gotten us to this position over years of mismanagement of the club. The proactive thing to do for this club and give us the best chance moving forward is to find a more capable tactician.

Bit of an odd article..

It’s a cut & paste job from Apple news so forgive the formatting…

Sean Dyche: Everton would not be in trouble if had I been here longer
The manager faces his former club Burnley on Saturday bidding to survive in the Premier League but insists that others before him did not care for the club’s finances

April 5 2024, The Times

Sean Dyche has said that Everton’s stark financial problems would not have occurred under him as he would have acted more responsibly than those whose reckless spending was akin to “throwing the club under a bus”.
The Everton manager added that the time had come for someone to “jump on the grenade” and display the necessary prudence to correct a catalogue of costly mistakes.
Dyche faces his former side, Burnley, on Saturday looking to end a Premier League winless streak that stretches back to when the sides previously met in December and now encompasses 13 matches, Everton’s worst league run.

● Sanctions, survival and takeover limbo — Everton face defining month

Everton are in 16th place in the table, having been docked six points for breaking Profitability and Sustainability Rules, and another punishment for a second breach is due next week. Those offences pre-date Dyche’s appointment in January last year, yet cast a shadow over the progress he has implemented after two fraught relegation battles threatened the club’s Premier League existence.

“It wasn’t on my watch, unfortunately,” Dyche said. “It wouldn’t have happened on my watch. Trust me, because I would have been saying, ‘No, no, no, no.’ The health of the club is important to me.

“Having played my part in building one club [Burnley], I wouldn’t be throwing the club under the bus by saying, ‘I am the manager, I need £250 million.’ I would be going, ‘No, how can that work for this club? We cannot afford it.’
“It is a mindset the club needs. It is as simple as that. The club has had a go at all these things. You have all written about it for the last seven or eight years, money spent here, money spent there, this has paid off, that hasn’t and all that. At some point you go, ‘Where are we at? For the health of the whole club?’
“I am definitely not judging managers or anything like that, because on the pitch is a different thing, but somebody had to, down that timeline, go, ‘Hang on a minute.’ Someone.

“I certainly did. When I first got here, before the first [transfer] deadline. We were linked with a few players and they were going to have a go and I went, ‘You can’t do that, we haven’t got that money, we are going to need that money more in the summer than we do now.’
“It was a big risk, of course, but we got the first job done. We stayed up and it at least allowed us a little bit of leeway in the summer, because if that leeway is gone you are just putting another finger in [to plug] the hole. Then it is the old favourite, you are running out of fingers eventually and the water keeps pouring in.

“I have to take the heat along the way. But I am not going to change my belief in it. The club needs to be in a healthier position than it has been, so someone has got to jump on the grenade.”

The fingerprints on Everton’s demise are varied, with the owner, Farhad Moshiri, advocating lavish spending sprees under managers such as Ronald Koeman and Carlo Ancelotti, while the PSR breaches occurred on the former chief executive Denise Barrett-Baxendale’s watch. She resigned in June and, according to the latest accounts, received a £2.5 million payoff in an overall salary of £3.25 million.

When it was pointed out to Dyche, who was pushed to sign Reading’s Lucas João after succeeding Frank Lampard but said no, that there has been more than one “grenade”, he added: “That’s fair. I wasn’t expecting that many. When I came here I didn’t think there was going to be quite as many. I just got my Kevlar vest on and went, ‘Right, here we go again.’
“A positive twist of fate now and again would be nice.”

That bbc article reads like an excuse, justified in some ways, of a manager thinking we might get relegated due to another point deduction

American Evertonian wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 1:21 am All fair points. I know he has been dealt a tough hand but 13 games winless is concerning. Tactically he hasn’t shown that he is flexible to stop the rot. Next year will be even more challenging as the teams coming up are much better than what is at the bottom now.

Everton has been too reactive and it has gotten us to this position over years of mismanagement of the club. The proactive thing to do for this club and give us the best chance moving forward is to find a more capable tactician.

Who would that be and how could we attract them?