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With the huge rebuild ahead, we could really do with some kind fixtures early on next season.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 8:58 pm Part of me wonders how moving to the new stadium will affect performances, would be interesting to know what teams who've moved to new stadiums have fared like in comparison to the previous season.

In theory we should definitely be looking to kick on next season but it is a bit of an unknown how well we'll transition to a new stadium and different atmosphere.

Good shout this, I would also be interested in knowing how teams in new stadiums did in that first season.

Paging @Shogun the stat man.

Moyes helping us move from 17th to 13th paid for Dyche’s sacking as well as his hiring to help us break even on the decision.

Well done.

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 10:48 am Good shout this, I would also be interested in knowing how teams in new stadiums did in that first season.

Paging @Shogun the stat man.

I put it through ChatGPT:

Moving to a new stadium can significantly impact a football club’s performance, both positively and negatively. Let’s examine how Premier League teams have fared in their first seasons at new stadiums over the past two decades, focusing on their initial games, overall season performance, and comparisons to their previous three seasons.

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Premier League Clubs’ First Seasons in New Stadiums

Arsenal – Emirates Stadium (2006–07)
• First 12 Games: Started with a 1–1 draw against Aston Villa; inconsistent early form.
• Season Finish: 4th place (68 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: 2nd place (average 79 points).
• Impact: Performance dipped slightly; financial constraints due to stadium costs affected squad investment. 

Manchester City – Etihad Stadium (2003–04)
• First 12 Games: Mixed results; notable 6–2 win over Bolton.
• Season Finish: 16th place (41 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: Varied between Premier League and First Division; average 10th in Premier League seasons.
• Impact: Struggled to adapt initially; improved in subsequent seasons. 

Tottenham Hotspur – Tottenham Hotspur Stadium (2018–19)
• First 12 Games at New Stadium: Won 4 of 6 home games after April opening.
• Season Finish: 4th place (71 points); reached Champions League final.
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: 3rd place (average 77 points).
• Impact: Maintained strong performance; stadium move had minimal negative effect.

West Ham United – London Stadium (2016–17)
• First 12 Games: Struggled with only 3 wins.
• Season Finish: 11th place (45 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: 9th place (average 50 points).
• Impact: Performance declined; issues with atmosphere and fan adaptation noted.  

Brighton & Hove Albion – Amex Stadium (2011–12)
• First 12 Games: Strong home form; unbeaten in first 6 home games.
• Season Finish: 10th in Championship (66 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: Mid-table in League One.
• Impact: Improved performance; new stadium boosted morale and attendance. 

Brentford – Brentford Community Stadium (2020–21)
• First 12 Games: Strong start; only 1 loss.
• Season Finish: 3rd in Championship; promoted via playoffs.
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: Mid-table Championship finishes.
• Impact: Significant improvement; new stadium coincided with promotion.    

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Comparative Analysis

Club Season at New Stadium League Finish Avg. Finish Previous 3 Seasons Performance Change
Arsenal 2006–07 4th 2nd Decline
Manchester City 2003–04 16th 10th (PL seasons) Decline
Tottenham Hotspur 2018–19 4th 3rd Slight Decline
West Ham United 2016–17 11th 9th Decline
Brighton 2011–12 10th (Champ.) Mid-table League One Improvement
Brentford 2020–21 3rd (Champ.) Mid-table Championship Significant Improvement


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Insights
• Adjustment Period: Teams often face an adaptation period when moving to a new stadium, impacting early-season performance.
• Financial Factors: Stadium construction costs can limit transfer budgets, affecting squad strength (e.g., Arsenal).
• Atmosphere and Fan Support: Challenges in replicating the atmosphere of old grounds can influence home advantage (e.g., West Ham).
• Long-Term Benefits: Clubs like Brighton and Brentford leveraged new stadiums for long-term growth and promotion.

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Everton’s Upcoming Move to Bramley-Moore Dock

As Everton prepares to transition from Goodison Park to the new Bramley-Moore Dock stadium, the club faces both opportunities and challenges. While the move promises modern facilities and increased revenue potential, maintaining performance levels during the transition will be crucial. Learning from other clubs’ experiences, Everton will need to focus on squad stability, fan engagement, and preserving the club’s identity to ensure a successful move. 

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Fucking chatgpt taking my job

American Evertonian wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 10:57 am Moyes helping us move from 17th to 13th paid for Dyche’s sacking as well as his hiring to help us break even on the decision.

Well done.

Shrewd.

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 11:22 am I put it through ChatGPT:

Moving to a new stadium can significantly impact a football club’s performance, both positively and negatively. Let’s examine how Premier League teams have fared in their first seasons at new stadiums over the past two decades, focusing on their initial games, overall season performance, and comparisons to their previous three seasons.

⸻

Premier League Clubs’ First Seasons in New Stadiums

Arsenal – Emirates Stadium (2006–07)
• First 12 Games: Started with a 1–1 draw against Aston Villa; inconsistent early form.
• Season Finish: 4th place (68 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: 2nd place (average 79 points).
• Impact: Performance dipped slightly; financial constraints due to stadium costs affected squad investment. 

Manchester City – Etihad Stadium (2003–04)
• First 12 Games: Mixed results; notable 6–2 win over Bolton.
• Season Finish: 16th place (41 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: Varied between Premier League and First Division; average 10th in Premier League seasons.
• Impact: Struggled to adapt initially; improved in subsequent seasons. 

Tottenham Hotspur – Tottenham Hotspur Stadium (2018–19)
• First 12 Games at New Stadium: Won 4 of 6 home games after April opening.
• Season Finish: 4th place (71 points); reached Champions League final.
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: 3rd place (average 77 points).
• Impact: Maintained strong performance; stadium move had minimal negative effect.

West Ham United – London Stadium (2016–17)
• First 12 Games: Struggled with only 3 wins.
• Season Finish: 11th place (45 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: 9th place (average 50 points).
• Impact: Performance declined; issues with atmosphere and fan adaptation noted.  

Brighton & Hove Albion – Amex Stadium (2011–12)
• First 12 Games: Strong home form; unbeaten in first 6 home games.
• Season Finish: 10th in Championship (66 points).
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: Mid-table in League One.
• Impact: Improved performance; new stadium boosted morale and attendance. 

Brentford – Brentford Community Stadium (2020–21)
• First 12 Games: Strong start; only 1 loss.
• Season Finish: 3rd in Championship; promoted via playoffs.
• Previous 3 Seasons Average: Mid-table Championship finishes.
• Impact: Significant improvement; new stadium coincided with promotion.    

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Comparative Analysis

Club Season at New Stadium League Finish Avg. Finish Previous 3 Seasons Performance Change
Arsenal 2006–07 4th 2nd Decline
Manchester City 2003–04 16th 10th (PL seasons) Decline
Tottenham Hotspur 2018–19 4th 3rd Slight Decline
West Ham United 2016–17 11th 9th Decline
Brighton 2011–12 10th (Champ.) Mid-table League One Improvement
Brentford 2020–21 3rd (Champ.) Mid-table Championship Significant Improvement


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Insights
• Adjustment Period: Teams often face an adaptation period when moving to a new stadium, impacting early-season performance.
• Financial Factors: Stadium construction costs can limit transfer budgets, affecting squad strength (e.g., Arsenal).
• Atmosphere and Fan Support: Challenges in replicating the atmosphere of old grounds can influence home advantage (e.g., West Ham).
• Long-Term Benefits: Clubs like Brighton and Brentford leveraged new stadiums for long-term growth and promotion.

⸻

Everton’s Upcoming Move to Bramley-Moore Dock

As Everton prepares to transition from Goodison Park to the new Bramley-Moore Dock stadium, the club faces both opportunities and challenges. While the move promises modern facilities and increased revenue potential, maintaining performance levels during the transition will be crucial. Learning from other clubs’ experiences, Everton will need to focus on squad stability, fan engagement, and preserving the club’s identity to ensure a successful move. 

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Pass my like on to ChatGPT, bro

@Toddacelli you just destroyed 6 trees there my mate!

Zoolander wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 9:57 am With the huge rebuild ahead, we could really do with some kind fixtures early on next season.

Cue the first 4 away games being away to the original big four where Moyes has never won with us.

MayorFarnham wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 6:41 am We need to get the bulk of our transfer business done before the season kicks off. Playing the first month while still scrambling around for players is never good and next season it may make settling in at the new stadium more difficult.
Starting well at the Hill Dickinson could make a massive difference.

Big challenge as always as if we're competing for players who are (hopefully) at a better level they're going to have offers from a few clubs (or want to wait and see if other offers come in), so either you end up overpaying or you end up waiting.

I agree it's important though with so many heading out, but will be tricky I imagine.

Can we have an average December for once, the so called top teams particularly the shite never get months like us.

Always a piss easy game after a difficult one.

Shogun wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 11:35 am Fucking chatgpt taking my job

You’re fired

Cozzie wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 12:56 pm Cue the first 4 away games being away to the original big four where Moyes has never won with us.

That would be rather unhelpful

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 12:07 pm @Toddacelli you just destroyed 6 trees there my mate!

Eh?

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 6:04 pmEh?

Doesn't AI use huge energy and impact the environment?