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777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:55 pm Might be completely wrong but I'll always blame koeman and his laziness for the mess. Think he just wanted a load of proven players without any thought of their value vs cost or how they'd fit together as a team

It was definitely a bad start. Too much squandered talent, Deulofeu, Lookman, and Vlasic could’ve been players for us with a bit of care taken put into their development. It was our last chance to salvage Barkley too.

Totally different trajectory if we hire someone like Favre, whose career was built on developing young players.

The vision was never there, though. Moshiri would’ve hired Steve Kean if Kia Joorabchian recommended him.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:55 pm Might be completely wrong but I'll always blame koeman and his laziness for the mess. Think he just wanted a load of proven players without any thought of their value vs cost or how they'd fit together as a team

Thank god we've moved on from allowing a manager to have too much of a significant influence!

Haaaaaaang on

I don't think he should have the sole responsibility but I think the manager should have significant influence in transfer dealings.

We saw when Thelwell was bringing players like Danjuma for Dyche, and there was never a hope in hell that he was going to use him or get the best out of him.

I think that model is deeply flawed, and I think that was Leeds' calculation (under Angus Kinnear) when they moved away from the ''DOF runs all aspects of recruitment'' model they had under Victor Orta. They moved to specialist roles of each aspect of recruitment, and then decisions were made with a group of people and the manager having a big input.

I think a transfer committee type model, where the manager has significant input is fine. Has worked really well for the other lot.

brap2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:22 pm Thank god we've moved on from allowing a manager to have too much of a significant influence!

Haaaaaaang on

The issue was more koeman was a lazy cunt and his reputation was built while someone else did the recruitment. Least moyes has decent form in the transfer market

I think there’s merit in a committee.

The one we’ve put together sounds kinda weird but it’ll ultimately be judged by what it actually does.

As long as we have enough scouting knowledge to cast a wide net in searching for the profiles we need, things should work out reasonably well. I think you can characterize a lot of our worst business as low information, signing players from clubs we play against regularly or players the manager has worked with before. You’ll never get anywhere near optimizing your resources with such a narrow view of the player pool.

Everton are interested in Rangers Striker, Hamza Igamane

Strasbourg, Rennes and LOSC from France are all interested. While Brentford and West Ham join Everton’s interest

(Source - Foot Mercato )

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Wed Jun 11, 2025 4:53 pm The issue was more koeman was a lazy cunt and his reputation was built while someone else did the recruitment. Least moyes has decent form in the transfer market

This 100% Koeman the laziest bastard ever to manage Everton, Moyes a totally different animal.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Wed Jun 11, 2025 3:55 pm Might be completely wrong but I'll always blame koeman and his laziness for the mess. Think he just wanted a load of proven players without any thought of their value vs cost or how they'd fit together as a team

He was like Andy from Little Britain in that respect - “I like it. I want that one.”

kramer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 11, 2025 5:12 pm I think there’s merit in a committee.

The one we’ve put together sounds kinda weird but it’ll ultimately be judged by what it actually does.

As long as we have enough scouting knowledge to cast a wide net in searching for the profiles we need, things should work out reasonably well. I think you can characterize a lot of our worst business as low information, signing players from clubs we play against regularly or players the manager has worked with before. You’ll never get anywhere near optimizing your resources with such a narrow view of the player pool.

This.

I also think this approach allows us to mitigate future managers somewhat. Moyes may have significant influence because he’s David Moyes. In the future if we have a manager we trust less, this gives us a mechanism to not allow them to spunk it up the wall and put us back in PSR jail.

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:56 am This.

I also think this approach allows us to mitigate future managers somewhat. Moyes may have significant influence because he’s David Moyes. In the future if we have a manager we trust less, this gives us a mechanism to not allow them to spunk it up the wall and put us back in PSR jail.

The most important thing is to simply not hire narrow-minded managers who only want to work with players they’re familiar with. There’s no path for us to become the sort of club that can get whatever players we want, the ladder has already been pulled up. Leave managers with this mentality to be someone else’s problem.

There are multiple ways to facilitate the manager and recruitment team being on the same page. Even though the proposed committee sounds a bit off, it’ll probably function because of how Moyes is wired. Will make our first managerial transition a big test, though.

Taking it seriously now

Manchester City’s director of scouting and recruitment James Smith is leaving the club and is expected to re-join Everton.

Smith’s anticipated return to Goodison Park – where he was head of technical scouting from 2003 during David Moyes’ first spell in charge, before following the Scot to Manchester United in 2013 – would continue a behind-the-scenes revamp under new chief executive Angus Kinnear.

There is a healthy relationship between the Premier League sides and talks over Smith’s return to Merseyside have been amicable.

Smith has been placed on gardening leave by City, who are also restructuring their set-up under new director of football Hugo Viana.

Viana is picking up where his predecessor, Txiki Begiristain, left off in aiming to strengthen the link between senior and youth levels at the Etihad Stadium.

A reunion of Moyes and Smith will be seen by many as a coup for Everton, with the former highly-regarded in the game after his work at the two Manchester clubs.

Smith would effectively replace Dan Purdy, Everton’s former head of recruitment who The Athletic revealed in April had decided to leave.

Purdy has since joined former Everton director of football Kevin Thelwell at Rangers.

Everton’s new set-up also includes Nick Hammond as head of trading/negotiating, having joined from Leeds United, and Chris Howarth, the head of strategy.

They are also hoping to install a new head of football operations following a process being handled by executive search firm Nolan Partners.

Former Leeds director Kinnear, to whom Smith will report, started his role last month following the decision by new owners, The Friedkin Group (TFG), not to renew Thelwell’s contract in a major executive overhaul.

It promises to be a pivotal summer transfer window for the Merseyside club before they head into their new stadium with 15 players, at one stage, set to see their deals expire at the end of June.

It has already been announced that three of that group, Ashley Young and backup goalkeepers Joao Virginia and Asmir Begovic, are to leave the club.

Midfielder Abdoulaye Doucoure will also depart after turning down a new deal, but Everton have exercised the €15million purchase option to make Carlos Alcaraz’s loan from Flamengo permanent.

Everton remain in talks over a new deal for veteran midfielder Idrissa Gueye.

Elsewhere at City, Trevor Todd, head of junior academy/local recruitment, is to become the club’s academy ambassador from July 1, with Nick Power to become the head of junior academy.

More people behind the scenes than we'll have playing on the pitch at this rate.

Lucky that the guy who was here last time Moyes was here has been identified as the best man for the job.