Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 4:08 pm
Yeah. Has anything like this ever happened in any of the top 5 leagues before? Unbeaten in absolutely every possible competition?
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Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 7:04 pm
I regard it as a great season, a bit of an anomaly. Similar to the way I regard the 1978-1980 Nottingham Forest achievement, a decent side that had everything going their way for a short period of time but they grabbed it and wrung everything out of it.
Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Thu May 23, 2024 8:06 pm
Even allowing for the less competitive nature and the smaller number of games, for Forest to win back to back European Cups was pretty outstanding.MayorFarnham wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:04 pm I regard it as a great season, a bit of an anomaly. Similar to the way I regard the 1978-1980 Nottingham Forest achievement, a decent side that had everything going their way for a short period of time but they grabbed it and wrung everything out of it.
I like to point out to Villa brain donors who bang on about their fluke making them a much much bigger club than Everton that on that basis it only makes them half as good as Forest.
Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:01 am
I love how much @CannockPricey hates the Villa
Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 10:00 am
Great achievement and that but that 2001 team is the real OG
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Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 7:17 pm
Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 7:34 pm
I take a different view than some re: European Cups in the past. I don't think they were all that impressive, and I think clubs basing their identity on them is a distortion. It is massively overhyped.
When Villa won the European Cup they beat Valur (Iceland), Dynamo Berlin, Dynamo Kiev, Anderlecht and then Bayern Munich in the final. That's it.
When Forest won theirs one of them involved beating Grasshoppers (QF), Cologne (SF) and Malmo in the final. The other one involved them beating Oster (Sweden), Arges Pitesti (Romania), Dynamo, Ajax and Hamburg. Again, that's it.
Whereas a club like Arsenal has never won a European up, despite being overwhelmingly better and more successful than those clubs throughout their history.
It's massively harder to win the Champions League now, and the importance of old European Cup wins is hugely overstated when there was much lower standards of football all over the continent and you could saunter through to a final without playing anyone all that good.
When Villa won the European Cup they beat Valur (Iceland), Dynamo Berlin, Dynamo Kiev, Anderlecht and then Bayern Munich in the final. That's it.
When Forest won theirs one of them involved beating Grasshoppers (QF), Cologne (SF) and Malmo in the final. The other one involved them beating Oster (Sweden), Arges Pitesti (Romania), Dynamo, Ajax and Hamburg. Again, that's it.
Whereas a club like Arsenal has never won a European up, despite being overwhelmingly better and more successful than those clubs throughout their history.
It's massively harder to win the Champions League now, and the importance of old European Cup wins is hugely overstated when there was much lower standards of football all over the continent and you could saunter through to a final without playing anyone all that good.
Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 9:02 pm
Yes the European Cup was definitely easier to win but the Forest one, coming up and then winning the old First Division to get in is still mighty impressive.Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 7:34 pm I take a different view than some re: European Cups in the past. I don't think they were all that impressive, and I think clubs basing their identity on them is a distortion. It is massively overhyped.
When Villa won the European Cup they beat Valur (Iceland), Dynamo Berlin, Dynamo Kiev, Anderlecht and then Bayern Munich in the final. That's it.
When Forest won theirs one of them involved beating Grasshoppers (QF), Cologne (SF) and Malmo in the final. The other one involved them beating Oster (Sweden), Arges Pitesti (Romania), Dynamo, Ajax and Hamburg. Again, that's it.
Whereas a club like Arsenal has never won a European up, despite being overwhelmingly better and more successful than those clubs throughout their history.
It's massively harder to win the Champions League now, and the importance of old European Cup wins is hugely overstated when there was much lower standards of football all over the continent and you could saunter through to a final without playing anyone all that good.
Re: Bayer Leverkusen - Where would they rank?
Posted: Sun May 26, 2024 4:11 pm
Won the German Cup yesterday
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