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Granite wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:12 pm Again, people are (understandably) getting ahead of themselves and thinking about building something.

Let’s secure the future of the club first, eh?

Losing £20m a month and can’t seem to get this takeover, over the line.

And when the takeover does happen, that’s when the real austerity will start. Those crooks will be desperate for that Onana cash.

You are making an even more short sighted assertion.

Are we skint?

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:38 pm Brighton are a great example of recruitment and selling at the right time, and I'm probably impatient with someone like Onana as I know he's not here for a long time and he only sees us as a stepping stone.

An interesting mix of forces to visualise, if the stepping stone is also rising up out of the mire.

The player might buckle, having found their level, or they might use the momentum to launch themself further.

Their choice.

Still a huge focus on players being too egotistical or whatever else you want to call it.

I don't want a player who thinks their future is playing for Everton in 17th for ten years.

I want whoever will do the best job on the pitch and be flipped for the most profit, and I want to enjoy watching him do it.

I don't think it's fair to suggest that selling Onana will result in older journeymen as replacements. One thing I am confident about is that KT's transfer plan has moved away from that profile of signing - unless they're going to be a squad filler on low wages.

Also, we're not losing £20m a month, that's our operating costs in order to function. We're not losing £240m a year. That's just Twitter sensationalism.

brap2 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:52 pm Still a huge focus on players being too egotistical or whatever else you want to call it.

I don't want a player who thinks their future is playing for Everton in 17th for ten years.

I want whoever will do the best job on the pitch and be flipped for the most profit, and I want to enjoy watching him do it.

Hardcore. But I don’t disagree.

It’s that last line “and I want to enjoy watching him do it.”

I want that to be the thing. Come to us and give us a couple of years at least before flying off somewhere new. I buy into the players as well as the team. I still want ex-players to do well. Just give me some good memories before you go so I don’t feel used.

Mid table (which is the level we are actually preforming at as a team) in the Prem is around the top 20 of clubs in the world.

Expect we'll improve a bit further as I think we'd bottomed out in the last year or so, so I wouldn't be too concerned if the player wanted to improve us further still while still aiming higher.

There's not all that far to go, and there are a limited number of spots in the squads of the mega riche, and usually filled by world class players. Do we have that? Not sure we do yet. If we do, I can't wait to see it.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:34 pm Erm... Ok if you say so.

It's not like it's very clear we've been buying players of a certain type in the hope of making a decent profit when we move them on, no definitely not obvious, not at all.

And who exactly are all these obvious players we’ve bought to “flip” and move on for a profit exactly? Richarlison 2018-2022 ? And err….err…..err

4evablu wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:04 pm And who exactly are all these obvious players we’ve bought to “flip” and move on for a profit exactly? Richarlison 2018-2022 ? And err….err…..err

Patterson
Garner
Onana
Branthwaite (albeit bought a while ago)

You could argue McNeil given his age profile although I'd say he's reached his maximum potential and his level is us rather than higher.

Whilst it hasn't worked out for various reasons Godfrey also was young, not too expensive and with potential to develop and sell at a substantial profit.

Chermiti another to add to that list.

Is that enough for you, or does 5-8 players not quite hit the spot?

Granite wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:12 pm Again, people are (understandably) getting ahead of themselves and thinking about building something.

Let’s secure the future of the club first, eh?

Losing £20m a month and can’t seem to get this takeover, over the line.

And when the takeover does happen, that’s when the real austerity will start. Those crooks will be desperate for that Onana cash.

We’re not losing £20m a month, our running costs are £20m a month. We would be well and truly fucked by ffp for eternity if we were losing £240m a year.

I think you buy players who have a good resale value and who will retain (or increase) that resale value for an extended period of time, rather than explicitly buying them with the intention of flipping them.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:33 pm Patterson
Garner
Onana
Branthwaite (albeit bought a while ago)

You could argue McNeil given his age profile although I'd say he's reached his maximum potential and his level is us rather than higher.

Whilst it hasn't worked out for various reasons Godfrey also was young, not too expensive and with potential to develop and sell at a substantial profit.

Chermiti another to add to that list.

Is that enough for you, or does 5-8 players not quite hit the spot?

That’s four players bought over three years.

I wouldn’t say buy young, sell high has been at the forefront of our transfer policy

We are getting better at doing it but still this summer we have a £20m investment on somebody like Beto who’s 26 now.

It continues to be a mish mash approach to bringing players in

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:33 pm Patterson
Garner
Onana
Branthwaite (albeit bought a while ago)

You could argue McNeil given his age profile although I'd say he's reached his maximum potential and his level is us rather than higher.

Whilst it hasn't worked out for various reasons Godfrey also was young, not too expensive and with potential to develop and sell at a substantial profit.

Chermiti another to add to that list.

Is that enough for you, or does 5-8 players not quite hit the spot?

No it doesn’t actually reason being Patterson gets more of a pasting on here than a wallpapered house -so does garner-so don’t see the signs of “substantial profit “ there!!
I haven’t seen 1 not 1 quote from the club that says “we bought Onana to “flip” him and make a profit on him so until yourself or someone else posts this evidence I will say it’s hearsay forum bollox.
Chermiti can’t make the first team at the minute and there’s already talk of moving him on do you think we’ll make a substantial profit on him?
Branthwaite was bought as a young academy player at 17 so basically he’s the only “potential” player in your list you could even suggest would fit your profile. However he’s just signed a long term contract until 2027 so I would suggest both club and player see a longer term relationship than a “quick flip”
So is that reason enough for you or doesn’t that quite hit the spot ?

TheRam wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:01 pm That’s four players bought over three years.

I wouldn’t say buy young, sell high has been at the forefront of our transfer policy

We are getting better at doing it but still this summer we have a £20m investment on somebody like Beto who’s 26 now.

It continues to be a mish mash approach to bringing players in

I see what you're saying but for a club that just survived relegation two seasons in a row, it's a wise strategy to add experienced players too.

TheRam wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:01 pm That’s four players bought over three years.

I wouldn’t say buy young, sell high has been at the forefront of our transfer policy

We are getting better at doing it but still this summer we have a £20m investment on somebody like Beto who’s 26 now.

It continues to be a mish mash approach to bringing players in

Yeah it's definitely a mixed bag and has to be... We're not in a position to just buy promising youngsters because the players in general already here aren't good enough to carry young players.

Beto is a classic example of where we needed to bring in experience because the expectation was he'd be heavily depended upon... I think the jury is definitely out on how well that's going to work out, but the logic is sound.

By and large we have been buying younger players with high potential or at least potential to grow. Onana has much higher potential than Garner for example but did cost twice as much.