Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:40 pm
The Prem will say ''you should've had the first sanction last season, and that would've relegated you so stop moaning about it''.
I agree but I'd reply with something to the effect of that's your tardiness and ridiculous process that you've made up on the fly. Deduct it from last season then, void this season and replay the whole of this season then with the teams that should have been in it. No?
The argument of what should apply when is ridiculous really as City in the future will get a "punishment" for offences that happened way before ours so any idea of doing it in a timely fashion is groundless.
I think common sense dictates one penalty per season in this case, otherwise (and I'm not suggesting such a thing could ever happen in an organisation as venerable and respected as the PL) an investigator could drag out an investigation on purpose in order to inflict the most damage they could on a side. Obviously everyone involved in this process is beyond reproach and wouldn't dream of such a thing but no harm in setting up a system to guard against it.
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CannockPricey wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:30 pm
I agree but I'd reply with something to the effect of that's your tardiness and ridiculous process that you've made up on the fly. Deduct it from last season then, void this season and replay the whole of this season then with the teams that should have been in it. No?
Sorry but that shout is just plain bonkers
So u want to void this season and relegate us and replay it with Leicester in our place??
Do you need help, I can call someone for you get u a nice bed in stodard house
I say that in jest but seriously that is a bonkers statement
My gut feeling is we will get points deducted for the 2nd charge but they will be suspended, pending we show our finances are trending in the right direction.
As far as I can tell we are trying our best to do so, despite continuing circumstances, such as, ya know, not having the ownership of the club sorted?
The thing that I'm most interested in, with regards to Forests case, 2 of the 3 years where EFL.
Surely they must be sanctioned separately via EFL guidelines which I believe are a bit more severe?
Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:40 pm
The Prem will say ''you should've had the first sanction last season, and that would've relegated you so stop moaning about it''.
And this one regard only, they sort of have a point...
HANNU wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:38 pm
Sorry but that shout is just plain bonkers
So u want to void this season and relegate us and replay it with Leicester in our place??
Do you need help, I can call someone for you get u a nice bed in stodard house
I say that in jest but seriously that is a bonkers statement
No, my point is there is absolutely no way on earth they could do it so them saying we are lucky they took so long over their "independent investigation" doesn't really stand up does it?
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Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:33 pm
Say Luton get relegated because someone has decided our 2nd charge can be reduced from 6pts to 2 pts on appeal? How is that a remotely appropriate way to oversee a competition? Surely it opens a legal minefield?
Yeah, if they thought "this would prove we're on top of this and we don't need an independent watchdog sorting our horrendous mess out", they're not exactly making a case for that, are they.
The other point is the timing of it. For the last few months, Luton have had no idea how far ahead or behind us they really are and with the second charge still pending even later in the season, it does affect how they set up, especially at the end of games. If they are level on points with us with a handful of games to go, hanging on to a point in a tight game is very legitimate. If they think they are 4 points behind they might as well chuck a couple of strikers on and go hell for leather.
If that subsequently turns out they made that decision on a misunderstanding of how many points we had, that would be grossly unfair on them (or any other club that ends up close to us).
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CannockPricey wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:58 pm
No, my point is there is absolutely no way on earth they could do it so them saying we are lucky they took so long over their "independent investigation" doesn't really stand up does it?
So what are u arguing?
If we had of been punished last year when maybe that should have been the case and we are fortunate that we wasn't as we would have gone down
So we got punished this season
It should have been last season,
When should we have to answer for that?
I don't agree with a points deduction but it is what we are dealing with
Sorry not being argumentative I just don't get ur point
Also west ham 2 up in 6 mins against Brentford, come on you noncey bubble blowers
CannockPricey wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:05 pm
The other point is the timing of it. For the last few months, Luton have had no idea how far ahead or behind us they really are and with the second charge still pending even later in the season, it does affect how they set up, especially at the end of games. If they are level on points with us with a handful of games to go, hanging on to a point in a tight game is very legitimate. If they think they are 4 points behind they might as well chuck a couple of strikers on and go hell for leather.
If that subsequently turns out they made that decision on a misunderstanding of how many points we had, that would be grossly unfair on them (or any other club that ends up close to us).
That's a fair assement, but equally it effects all clubs fighting towards the bottom, and the season is a farce, points deductions if they are to be applied should be at the start of a season not part way through so I agree to your point
My point is if they think they made a mistake in not imposing the sanction last season, that is on their absurd, drawn out, made up on the fly process that took so long as they had to invent the rules for it as they went.
They can't then say "you were lucky we didn't do it last season so we're going to impose two penalties this season" any more sensibly than my sarcastic suggestion to make the points deduction retrospective and replay the whole season. It's their mistake (if it was one).
It'd be like a ref not giving a penalty incorrectly in one game so giving it in the next to make up for it. It would affect different teams. Two sanctions this season on the basis one was meant to be last season would absolutely prove Leicester's case for compensation I would say and the PL won't be chasing them down the road offering them multi millions and an apology.
*sorry - was typing this reply as you replied so got a bit of crossed wires but yes, start of season or not at all.
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Cereal Killer wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:22 pm
I’m glad you’re that confident in our recent performances, we’d do well to get a point out of Bournemouth and West Ham
Mate, we will not do well to get six points in that run of fixtures.
What you said is wrong and I’m just pointing out we have very winnable games coming up and six points would be quite disappointing.
I’ve seen us draw with Villa, Brighton and Spurs recently so forgive me for not writing off games against Bournemouth and West Ham.
Cozzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:39 pm
My gut feeling is we will get points deducted for the 2nd charge but they will be suspended, pending we show our finances are trending in the right direction.
As far as I can tell we are trying our best to do so, despite continuing circumstances, such as, ya know, not having the ownership of the club sorted?
The thing that I'm most interested in, with regards to Forests case, 2 of the 3 years where EFL.
Surely they must be sanctioned separately via EFL guidelines which I believe are a bit more severe?
You think we’ll get a suspended points charge?
Who are you, and what have you done with our Cozzie?
I dont know how much we are over for the second charge but given when the points deductions have happened it has massively worked in our favour.
Not our doing obviously but if we get out of this season still in the PL we can count ourselves very lucky. Leeds and Leicester fans would probably use other words of course.
