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Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:55 pm
by Kerryblueboy
Bornblue88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:42 pm
Patterson got a chance and he got injured. What’s the manager supposed to do about that?
To be fair Patterson sat on the bench while we didn’t win a league game for 4 months last season while Godfrey was playing there brought him on when 4-0 down away to Chelsea he hadn’t been given a fair chance yet hopefully when he gets back fit he might wouldn’t hold my breath though if dyche has a choice between young or Patterson we know who he is picking
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:58 pm
by cassius
Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 1:40 pm
I don't see it that way. Wish I did though
I think the only way his comments are interpreted as a dig at the fans is if you're looking for it to be a dig because you don't like him.
I'd be interested in how fans from other clubs interpret it.
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:00 pm
by Shogun
A bit like his "they thought I was a messiah not long ago" quotes from last season towards the end of the 4 month winless run. If you don't like him then it comes across as him calling the fans fair weather and not taking them seriously. If you like him then you'll think it's another harmless comment.
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:06 pm
by 777Kidnappings
Evertonian in NC wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:54 pm
No. I am saying Dyche has a particular skillset. He'll make you hard to beat, and frustrating to play against. He is good at getting the most out of a limited pool of players.
But if you give him money, he'll buy "proven veterans" on their way down. He doesn't have a project-builder's vision. Square peg, round hole (starting next season). We absolutely benefitted from not being able to sign Slabhead. 100%. If we had, Branthwaite either deputizes Maguire and Myko - or he gets sold on the cheap. He wasn't buying Slabhead to be an upgraded Michael Keane on the subs bench.
What I don't understand is how anyone is satisfied to play this way basically forever. I'd say 2.5 seasons is a fair interval of taking our medicine.
Is the 2.5 years when our 600 million in debt suddenly disappears. When we magic up a successful scouting network and a great youth system? When we get beyond our ffp problems.
When did dyche try and sign maguire? He didn't because we've no money but in your mind he would have so you're adding it to a list of mistakes. It's just a bit weird
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:07 pm
by 777Kidnappings
Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:55 pm
To be fair Patterson sat on the bench while we didn’t win a league game for 4 months last season while Godfrey was playing there brought him on when 4-0 down away to Chelsea he hadn’t been given a fair chance yet hopefully when he gets back fit he might wouldn’t hold my breath though if dyche has a choice between young or Patterson we know who he is picking
Maybe Patterson is fucking shite too. He didn't give me a chance either
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:08 pm
by cassius
Shogun wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:00 pm
A bit like his "they thought I was a messiah not long ago" quotes from last season towards the end of the 4 month winless run. If you don't like him then it comes across as him calling the fans fair weather and not taking them seriously. If you like him then you'll think it's another harmless comment.
I thought the messiah quote was misjudged.
I'm not a Dyche fan, for the record, I agree that he's the right man for the position the club is in, but I'm not a fan of his.
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:29 pm
by Evertonian in NC
People do make far too much out of press conferences. Maybe sometimes he could do a better job from a basic PR perspective, but it's small beer.
Anyway, enough argumentative moans from me. Off to watch City hopefully beat Chelsea by 3+ and go top (and maybe even lift us to 19th in the process).
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:41 pm
by Kerryblueboy
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:07 pm
Maybe Patterson is fucking shite too. He didn't give me a chance either
Maybe but he is absolutely better than young and hopefully gets a chance to play when he gets back fit
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 3:46 pm
by AjaxAndy
I don't really care if he's likeable, everyone liked Lampard but he was shit at his job.
Everything everyone's complaining about was the same complaints as last season and we finished joint on points with Brighton.
People are understandably annoyed that he played Keane but there were plenty of complaints during pre season that one single pass seemed to split the defence when JOB was paired with Tarks, so there's probably a reason why Dyche didn't want to start him.
It's going to be a long season and I think people need to accept that, and it's not because Dyche is a dinosaur.
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:12 pm
by Bornblue88
Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 2:55 pm
To be fair Patterson sat on the bench while we didn’t win a league game for 4 months last season while Godfrey was playing there brought him on when 4-0 down away to Chelsea he hadn’t been given a fair chance yet hopefully when he gets back fit he might wouldn’t hold my breath though if dyche has a choice between young or Patterson we know who he is picking
I do think Dyche would have given him more of a try if the rest of the team was more effective as we could cope with any shakiness or mistakes, I just don’t think he’s convinced enough by Patto when he has played to trust him when we needed defensive solidity above all. I’m not convinced by his defending either. For me, It’s the same thinking as when people say ‘just play the kids, they can’t be any worse’ because the unknown at least gives hope of something better. He’s not done enough to demand a place in the team and has an issue with injuries
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:58 pm
by Kerryblueboy
Bornblue88 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 4:12 pm
I do think Dyche would have given him more of a try if the rest of the team was more effective as we could cope with any shakiness or mistakes, I just don’t think he’s convinced enough by Patto when he has played to trust him when we needed defensive solidity above all. I’m not convinced by his defending either. For me, It’s the same thinking as when people say ‘just play the kids, they can’t be any worse’ because the unknown at least gives hope of something better. He’s not done enough to demand a place in the team and has an issue with injuries
The exact same could have been said about Jared this time last season and it took Keane having a stinker at villa for dyche to play him consistently we can’t be playing Seamus or young for the rest of the season they will be destroyed by any team with pace
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:01 pm
by TheRam
Wasn’t branthwaite late back to pre season and carrying a bit of an injury?
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:44 pm
by Kerryblueboy
Didn’t he start first game and then benched for villa but sure you won’t agree with me anyway so jog on
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:55 pm
by Shogun
He was fit enough to play in the final pre-season game against Sporting and then sit on the bench for the first two matches of the season before Keane's disasterclass at Villa.
Re: Dyche
Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2024 6:20 pm
by Granite
TheRam wrote: ↑Sun Aug 18, 2024 5:01 pm
Wasn’t branthwaite late back to pre season and carrying a bit of an injury?
Branthwaite was on loan with PSV and then went straight to the U21s tournament in Georgia. England went all the way and won it so Jarred had extended time off, afterwards. He only met Dyche for the first time shortly before the season started. Then he was injured.