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Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:48 pm
by TheRam
Great loan for him that.

Marc robins should have Stoke playing a lot better next season.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:32 pm
by 74Blue
Shogun wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:08 pm The Stoke fans aren't ready for the Portuguese Bergkamp like
I honestly think he'll do ok there.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:08 pm
by PoD1878
superpull wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:36 pm Dom will be like a new signings...

We’ll go with what we’ve got

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:11 pm
by kramer
StirlingBlue wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:35 pm I love that everyone is talking like those dodgy signing days are behind us.

Beto is basically the striker version of Bolasie
I see the comparison in playing styles for sure.

I don’t think they’re similar as signing decisions.

Beto was a better starting age profile so we have more time to recoup money and he wasn’t displacing a better, younger, cheaper option. We legitimately needed a striker with DCL’s fitness issues.

He’s been useful too, as was Bolasie before he lost his pace to injury. We can do better but we’re not taking a major loss when it comes time to move him on.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:20 pm
by Mouse
StirlingBlue wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:35 pm I love that everyone is talking like those dodgy signing days are behind us.

Beto is basically the striker version of Bolasie
I don’t understand the relevance, maybe I need to read further back into thread?

Surely, those saying the dodgy deals are behind us are referencing us under the Friedkins. Not sure how Beto fits in as he was bought under Moshiri. Apologies if I’m missing the context here.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:24 pm
by Robioto
I really don't get why Beto gets a bad rap from some of our fans. Last season alone he's delivered more than most of our recent strikers. Yeah he has limitations, but he's very effective when his strengths are utilised and he proved that with 7 important goals in our last 16 league games. Some of the disrespect towards a player who was a big part of our recovery last season is a bit unfair IMO.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:41 pm
by AndSeel
777Kidnappings wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 7:10 pm I actually see that but I think bolasie had decent numbers as well as really poor moments


Also it's a similar fee about a decade late and with deferred payments and not offering players whatever money they want. Think we've drove a much harder bargain for a similar quality player

Bolasie always struck me as a player that if the rest of your team was a machine and won consistently, he would be loved as a bit of a manic wildcard on the wings. Think pinning your hopes on him to be the gamechanger you would be disappointed.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 11:25 pm
by 74Blue
Robioto wrote: Sat Jun 21, 2025 9:24 pm I really don't get why Beto gets a bad rap from some of our fans. Last season alone he's delivered more than most of our recent strikers. Yeah he has limitations, but he's very effective when his strengths are utilised and he proved that with 7 important goals in our last 16 league games. Some of the disrespect towards a player who was a big part of our recovery last season is a bit unfair IMO.
Agree. He's not a world class striker, but he puts a shift in, causes chaos and he can finish. DCL's hold up play is much better, but he couldn't finish his dinner. So which one is more effective?

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:23 am
by Juanito
Don’t get the Beto comparisons. He was long down on a list and we only signed him because we didn’t have to pay a fee up front. Dyche didn’t know how to use him and now, under Moyes he is showing what he can do, despite his obvious limitations.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:21 am
by 777Kidnappings
Juanito wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:23 am Don’t get the Beto comparisons. He was long down on a list and we only signed him because we didn’t have to pay a fee up front. Dyche didn’t know how to use him and now, under Moyes he is showing what he can do, despite his obvious limitations.
Good numbers awful moments. I don't think anything more than that is meant of it.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 11:43 am
by StirlingBlue
777Kidnappings wrote: Good numbers awful moments. I don't think anything more than that is meant of it.
That’s exactly what I meant.

Both Beto and Bolasie have that ungainly/chaotic energy about them but they make things happen even though they sometimes have very poor moments.

Neither has a place in a top side dominating possession

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:00 pm
by Escalator
Good article about our £200 million player write offs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... d2lzkjvl1o

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:16 pm
by Cozzie
Escalator wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:00 pm Good article about our £200 million player write offs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... d2lzkjvl1o
Posted that a few pages back.

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:36 pm
by Blueomar
Escalator wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:00 pm Good article about our £200 million player write offs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... d2lzkjvl1o
I see the kopites can't resist a comment there. What's wrong with those people?

Re: The Rebuild

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:52 pm
by 777Kidnappings
It's a bit of a nothing article really. The lessons to be learnt are normally selling at the right time or buying players with better age profiles rather than for now. The lessons to be learnt for us is not buy players not good enough on silly contracts. Some of these players best moments for us will be when they leave on frees