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Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:27 pm Earn his place over a guy who has been an absolute liability here for the past few years and branthwaite only got in the team after Keane royally fucked up away at villa let’s not forget that either

Again picking a weird angle to assess how well Dyche did with Branthwaite overall... and we finished joint on points with 11th placed Brighton so it makes the angle even more perverse and odd.

TheRam wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:39 pm Yeah, it’s not just mild criticisms is it.

I think people on this forum can read over the last few weeks and see it’s probably gone beyond that.

The constant twisting of his comments in the press conferences for one.

The press conference stuff has been going on almost since he arrived... I don't even understand why people watch them tbh let alone get all irate about something they think he's alluded to but in reality probably hasn't.

As with everything, the not starting JOB thing has been blown out of proportion.

It’s been made out that this is just Dyche being stubborn and he’s the only one that does it.

I watched 3 games over the weekend (aside from ours) and every team played some of last seasons regulars over new signings.

Carvalho and van der Berg on the bench for Brentford.
Villa are actively trying to sell Digne, but started him over £35m Maatsen.
Newcastle still playing Jacob Murphy over £60m Harvey Barnes.
Maguire starting ahead of De Ligt.

Sure there was an example of this from every single team.

Granite wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:24 pm As with everything, the not starting JOB thing has been blown out of proportion.

It’s been made out that this is just Dyche being stubborn and he’s the only one that does it.

I watched 3 games over the weekend (aside from ours) and every team played some of last seasons regulars over new signings.

Carvalho and van der Berg on the bench for Brentford.
Villa are actively trying to sell Digne, but started him over £35m Maatsen.
Newcastle still playing Jacob Murphy over £60m Harvey Barnes.
Maguire starting ahead of De Ligt.

Sure there was an example of this from every single team.

The nuance here is that these are much stronger squads and higher performing players. Plus, these clubs arent rock bottom having conceded 7 goals and scored 0, so the focus is going to be much more on the players he picks, and doesnt pick.

Dyche claims hes all about the stats, so maybe he should look into them. During the 22/23 season our points per game were 0.82 with Keane in the side compared to 1.71 without.
During the 23/24 season it was 0.6 ppg with Keane, 1.92 without. Now this could be a freakish coincidence and there may be mitigating circumstances, but the numbers paint a pretty bleak picture as to the influence Keane has on the team - hes shit and for some reason Dyche doesnt seem to see it.

More like the influence of Branthwaite IN the team.

I’m just saying it’s normal to bed players in. The Donny game was always the right game for the new lads to start, imo.

Granite wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:24 pm As with everything, the not starting JOB thing has been blown out of proportion.

It’s been made out that this is just Dyche being stubborn and he’s the only one that does it.

I watched 3 games over the weekend (aside from ours) and every team played some of last seasons regulars over new signings.

Carvalho and van der Berg on the bench for Brentford.
Villa are actively trying to sell Digne, but started him over £35m Maatsen.
Newcastle still playing Jacob Murphy over £60m Harvey Barnes.
Maguire starting ahead of De Ligt.

Sure there was an example of this from every single team.

You actually comparing our squad to that of united villa and even Brentford is laughable I get you like dyche and are a fan but we don’t have the luxury of waiting to bed players in if they had been bought just before the season started I could understand it but job played against Roma did fine also the week previous why not continue with him makes no sense to me when Jared comes back he won’t play so when there is a chance to get games into him it should have been taken

Raptor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:41 pm The nuance here is that these are much stronger squads and higher performing players. Plus, these clubs arent rock bottom having conceded 7 goals and scored 0, so the focus is going to be much more on the players he picks, and doesnt pick.

Dyche claims hes all about the stats, so maybe he should look into them. During the 22/23 season our points per game were 0.82 with Keane in the side compared to 1.71 without.
During the 23/24 season it was 0.6 ppg with Keane, 1.92 without. Now this could be a freakish coincidence and there may be mitigating circumstances, but the numbers paint a pretty bleak picture as to the influence Keane has on the team - hes shit and for some reason Dyche doesnt seem to see it.

Yet Keane wasn't actually responsible for any of the goals we conceded so I'm not sure that argument really stacks up.

We also don't have any stats for JOB in the team as a counter argument for him playing over Keane.

It's been mentioned on here before that people are so desperate for something different there's been shouts of playing people like Dobbin or some of the lads we've ended up releasing because the unknown seems better than the known, but actually it's been proven all those shouts were terrible.

We should all want the new signings to play and improve us, and I'm sure they will, but I also think we need to understand that starting JOB, Lindstrom and Ndaiye probably wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to the first 2 games of this season.

They've now all got the cup game to lay down a marker, if they perform I expect them to start the next game.

Why buy Jake then ffs why not use that money to buy a midfielder or full back if Keane is good enough to be starting or backup

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:07 pm Yet Keane wasn't actually responsible for any of the goals we conceded so I'm not sure that argument really stacks up.

We also don't have any stats for JOB in the team as a counter argument for him playing over Keane.

It's been mentioned on here before that people are so desperate for something different there's been shouts of playing people like Dobbin or some of the lads we've ended up releasing because the unknown seems better than the known, but actually it's been proven all those shouts were terrible.

We should all want the new signings to play and improve us, and I'm sure they will, but I also think we need to understand that starting JOB, Lindstrom and Ndaiye probably wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to the first 2 games of this season.

They've now all got the cup game to lay down a marker, if they perform I expect them to start the next game.

You are right, we dont have stats for JOB, he could be another Koldrup for all we know, but he would have to be to realistically produce worse stats than Keane. And not responsible for any goals is really subjective, off the top of my head I think 2 of the 7 we have conceded have been him and /or Tarks backing off so far the striker had no option put to pass the ball into the net, are they directly responsible, no, but they had a significant hand in it.
Another factor is maybe Branthwaite is that good and he massively improves the team, which is a possibility, but when Keane in the side are chucking out numbers that we are I find it hard to see how its not worth trying someone else, as they genuinely are relegation numbers

That welbeck goal for Brighton Keane was at fault he needed to come and tackle or foul or do something instead of just backing up

Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 2:16 pm Why buy Jake then ffs why not use that money to buy a midfielder or full back if Keane is good enough to be starting or backup

Because Keane isn't good enough, but that doesn't mean JOB is ready to just be thrown in from the off... Especially as people rightly noted how easy it was to beat a JOB / Tarks pairing in pre season with a single pass.

Dyche will be working with him on the training ground so that when he is selected he's able to step in and perform.

It's literally been two, yes TWO games... People go on like we're 30 games in and he's not started anyone new.

I can never understand how people can suggest random stuff like the new signings would/wouldn't improve the side until he actually plays them.
Then quote stats to try show a measure of what happened with a certain player that actually mean the sum total of Fkall.... and measured against players that didn't play ?

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:58 pm The press conference stuff has been going on almost since he arrived... I don't even understand why people watch them tbh let alone get all irate about something they think he's alluded to but in reality probably hasn't.

So for one thing, he annoys me I've been clear about that like. Does that mean I should ignore all club media? I've been watching pressers for a million years in the build up to games but now I shouldn't watch shouldn't have an opinion, shouldn't voice it on a forum of all things. I don't like his personality so therefore I'm excluded?

Dunno man.

Raptor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:41 pm Dyche claims hes all about the stats, so maybe he should look into them. During the 22/23 season our points per game were 0.82 with Keane in the side compared to 1.71 without.
During the 23/24 season it was 0.6 ppg with Keane, 1.92 without. Now this could be a freakish coincidence and there may be mitigating circumstances, but the numbers paint a pretty bleak picture as to the influence Keane has on the team - hes shit and for some reason Dyche doesnt seem to see it.

Surely those PPG numbers don't stack up? Keane played 12 in 22/23 and 9 in 23/24, those kind of PPG with and without him would put us on about 50 points and 60 points for those seasons as opposed to 36 and 46*.

brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:35 pm So for one thing, he annoys me I've been clear about that like. Does that mean I should ignore all club media? I've been watching pressers for a million years in the build up to games but now I shouldn't watch shouldn't have an opinion, shouldn't voice it on a forum of all things. I don't like his personality so therefore I'm excluded?

Dunno man.

Like I said, personally I never watch them as I don't think they're even remotely interesting. I appreciate others do like them.

However if people don't like them when x or y manager is in charge it seems odd to still watch knowing you'll not enjoy it and get irritated by it. Dunno maybe that's just me, but if something grinds on me I tend to just not watch it