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brap2 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 29, 2025 10:15 am Wonder what it is that prevents us from putting together counters? Surely not JUST pace?

Could do with moyesy working on this. We do look extremely disconnected on the break.

Mad when you watch a good side, when they break everything speeds up, pass pass pass and they're through, bouncing passes off deep midfielders or knocking it between opposition players to create the angle and then then BAM vertical go go go.

Watch us and it's just....can we hit Barry from 50 yards? Can Charly carry it by himself? A Moyes issue this for me.

Am I reading the scale correctly? Man United are counter attacking on average 1 and a half times per game? And they’re the standout stat? That doesn’t seem super significant. It would seem to suggest perhaps most teams are set up to avoid that scenario?

The more troubling stat is just the shots on target one. In Man United’s case I’m not too surprised as they have lots of players who like to take a pop from distance, I suspect that skews things a little bit. I’d still say that was more of an issue though.

Overall though, we’re playing a different way and for the most part it works when people are fit at least. Could we be coached to do it more, sure, but whether it’s speed of thought or speed of feet those things are not really our forte right now. See Rohl running forward the other day and wondering where everyone else was. With only about half the teams breaking 1 counter attack per game average it doesn’t seem a super huge factor right now, even if we could improve in that area. As long as I’m reading that graph correctly.

Pace is the main ingredient to counters to be fair. More to it than legging it, but can't counter with slow pokes.