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Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:54 am**

We have done this 'safe hands' stuff before though and ultimately...we have ended up back in the same place.

As long as he keeps us up this year I'm happy, but I can't see him taking a 6 month gig. And I'm not 100% sure he lifts the place well enough to get us scoring.

I don't think west hams xg has been that much better than ours the last few years?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:54 am**

Granite wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:40 am The club simply isn’t in the position to afford a new manager the best opportunity to succeed.

Moyes May feel like a step backwards, but it’s a necessary one, imo.

You can’t just drop a McKenna or a Frank into this situation and expect them to succeed (moot point as you wouldn’t get them midseason, anyway).

Take the above managers; they have:

- stability on and off the pitch
- expertise and decisive decision-makers behind the scenes (board/DoF)
- their clubs are on an upward trajectory (due to the above points). Momentum is massive in football.
- ongoing investment into the club

Unless we get our ducks in a row, we’ll be back here in 6 months time.

I get it though; we’re jaded and we just want to kick-on.

We’ve just got to trust the process (again).

Last thoughts on this, but why are we so confident that Moyes can be put in this environment and succeed?

He has been put into this situation in 3 comparable times:

Sunderland 2016/17 - played 38 games, win percentage 16%, loss percentage 68%
West Ham 2017/18 - played 27 games, win percentage 30%, loss percentage 37%
West Ham 2019/20 - played 19 games, win percentage 26%, loss percentage, 47%

For reference Dyche win percentage last season was 34%, loss 42% and 16% and 42% this year. Moyes stats scream he isnt a safe pair of hands, but I hope im wrong

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:55 am**

brap2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:06 am "His attitude towards the job accelerated the process" is absolutely damning stuff.

Where’s this from?

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:01 am**

Raptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:54 am Last thoughts on this, but why are we so confident that Moyes can be put in this environment and succeed?

He has been put into this situation in 3 comparable times:

Sunderland 2016/17 - played 38 games, win percentage 16%, loss percentage 68%
West Ham 2017/18 - played 27 games, win percentage 30%, loss percentage 37%
West Ham 2019/20 - played 19 games, win percentage 26%, loss percentage, 47%

For reference Dyche win percentage last season was 34%, loss 42% and 16% and 42% this year. Moyes stats scream he isnt a safe pair of hands, but I hope im wrong

if moyes replicated those numbers at west ham either season we would almost certainy stay up this year, based on 19/20 numbers we would win 4 or 5 more games and draw another 4 or 5

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:03 am**

Moyes is at least competent which Dyche wasn’t by the end.

The squad is grim though. Gonna have to get by on bounce and vibe and maybe an astute Jan signing or two.

Can’t see any of this lot stepping up a la Richy or Super Kev.

Maybe Moyes can get DCL to check back in for a few months.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:09 am**

David Moyes does not want a short-term contract if he is to return to Everton, according to Alan Nixon.

Writing via his Patreon page on Friday (10 January), the newspaper journalist reported that the Blues have opened talks to re-hire the 61-year-old after sacking Sean Dyche on Thursday (9 January).
It is understood that Moyes wants a contract of at least two-and-a-half years if he is to agree a deal with The Friedkin Group, who bought Farhad Moshiri out of Goodison Park last month.

Moyes is reportedly TFG’s first choice for manager and while the Scot is open to a return to Goodison in its final season before the move to Bramley-Moore Dock, he won’t be keen on a contract that only lasts until the summer, even if there’s a big bonus involved.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:10 am**

I'm pleased I don't have to make the decision of who to get. If its not right the first time we'll loose confidence in TFG and end up going down the Moshiri road again.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:11 am**

Raptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:54 am Last thoughts on this, but why are we so confident that Moyes can be put in this environment and succeed?

He has been put into this situation in 3 comparable times:

Sunderland 2016/17 - played 38 games, win percentage 16%, loss percentage 68%
West Ham 2017/18 - played 27 games, win percentage 30%, loss percentage 37%
West Ham 2019/20 - played 19 games, win percentage 26%, loss percentage, 47%

For reference Dyche win percentage last season was 34%, loss 42% and 16% and 42% this year. Moyes stats scream he isnt a safe pair of hands, but I hope im wrong

Discounting Sunderland as a one off (as Moyes has never been that bad in his career before or since) and the fact Sunderland were in a worse position than we are now, even if he (or any manager) came here and managed 26% win, 47% loss that’d mean around 20 points which would almost certainly be enough to keep us up.

Obviously he (or any manager) would be expected to improve on that next season but just surviving will do this year.

Any manager is a risk at this point in the season, I don’t particularly want Moyes but would think he’s less of a risk than an unknown who has never managed in the PL before.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:14 am**

I wonder if Moyes would come here if it doesn't feel like TFG is committed long-term to him. I don't think Moyes sees himself as a firefighter (and he's not), so wouldn't be surprised if this falls through.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:16 am**

NickNack wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:11 am Discounting Sunderland as a one off (as Moyes has never been that bad in his career before or since) and the fact Sunderland were in a worse position than we are now, even if he (or any manager) came here and managed 26% win, 47% loss that’d mean around 20 points which would almost certainly be enough to keep us up.

.

Probably want to discount his time at Real Sociedad too, as he was as bad as Sunderland there.....

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:17 am**

Shogun wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:14 am I wonder if Moyes would come here if it doesn't feel like TFG is committed long-term to him. I don't think Moyes sees himself as a firefighter (and he's not), so wouldn't be surprised if this falls through.

I reckon he’s going to want at least a two year deal, can’t see him accepting less.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:17 am**

An ITK on another forum reckons an 18 month deal with the option of another year.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:18 am**

We can't take too long over any appointment so the list of candidates is probably restricted the those out of work. If Moyes holds his nerve he'll get the contract he wants.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:20 am**

Raptor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:16 am Probably want to discount his time at Real Sociedad too, as he was as bad as Sunderland there.....

He wasn’t though was he..

18.6% at Sunderland
28.57% at Sociedad - which, again, would be good enough for this season.

Posted: **Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:22 am**

Think you do have to discount Sunderland. So bad they were relegated from the championship too

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