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Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:26 pm Pure deflection here calling o Brien a failure when dyche hasn’t played him

I'm not saying O'Brien is a failure, I'm saying as a signing it's a failure as he's not been used. If you aren't going to use a player buy one you will use instead.

The question is why he isn’t playing him possibly because dyche is too loyal to players and never drops his favourites

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:42 pm I'm not saying O'Brien is a failure, I'm saying as a signing it's a failure as he's not been used. If you aren't going to use a player buy one you will use instead.

You need a squad, if we hadn't signed a centre back we'd have had two fit CB's for the first three months of the season while Branthwaite was out.

I don't think he's looked great the odd time he's played but £15m these days isn't a lot and he's young enough to develop, it's not the terrible signing you think it is from a squad point of view, just because he's hardly played in his first season doesn't make the signing a failure.

Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:45 pm The question is why he isn’t playing him possibly because dyche is too loyal to players and never drops his favourites

Think it's more that on overall ability he's our fourth best CB and it would be hard to argue that.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:42 pm I'm not saying O'Brien is a failure, I'm saying as a signing it's a failure as he's not been used. If you aren't going to use a player buy one you will use instead.

I didn't know know that Thelwell decides the starting 11!!

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 7:25 pm Missing what point? The fact he's had to work in extremely difficult circumstances... The point I've mentioned multiple times in various posts?

Or that none of his signings have been poor as it's all Dyche?

Or that we need to separate what Dyche has done and what Thelwell have done and judge each on their own merits... which is a point others seem reluctant to engage with.

What exactly is the point of your list?

You’ve put a cross over players who’ve had a hot minute here, and on players who costs minimal outlay who have been perfectly serviceable.

The point you’re missing is the club in the situation we are in has had no choice but to sign average players for free or on loan because we needed bodies and couldn’t afford better.

Thelwell come into a club whose recruitment structure had been destroyed by the previous manager, he’s had to juggle PSR, and had no money to spend in the market. That list is about as good as we can expect.

We don’t have the resources to buy better, or the recruitment network to cast our net wide to sign potentially great players for little money.

It’s on record. He has had to focus on teams who have been relegated, teams with PSR issues and the few teams who don’t mind money on the drip.

He had to spend the first half of the summer market trying to cut deals for the sake of PSR, even if it meant making us worse, PSR was his main objective.

It’s all out there, player like kudus, gykores, guirassay, gnonto, minteh, all very close to signing but for multiple reasons didn’t come off.

From there you work down your list and he’s had to go to clubs and ask if we put the transfer fee on the very account.

A lot of those players have also been mismanaged by dyche. I know you don’t want to hear that but take someone like Danjuma for example who’s doing very well in Spain, Harrison who’s been played out of position, same with lindstrom, ndyaie, Obrien on the bench despite all centre halves above him have a poor season.

That list would look a lot better if they players had been utilised correctly and if we had just a bit of leverage in the market.

Gash wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:53 pm You need a squad, if we hadn't signed a centre back we'd have had two fit CB's for the first three months of the season while Branthwaite was out.

I don't think he's looked great the odd time he's played but £15m these days isn't a lot and he's young enough to develop, it's not the terrible signing you think it is from a squad point of view, just because he's hardly played in his first season doesn't make the signing a failure.

No I fully appreciate the squad issue and I've said before that I think we signed him in case Branthwaite was sold late on. So far though it's not been a successful transfer because he's not played and looked poor when he has. That may well change over time, the list isn't set in stone, it is just a reflection of where the signings currently sit.

TheRam wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:53 am What exactly is the point of your list?

You’ve put a cross over players who’ve had a hot minute here, and on players who costs minimal outlay who have been perfectly serviceable.

The point you’re missing is the club in the situation we are in has had no choice but to sign average players for free or on loan because we needed bodies and couldn’t afford better.

Thelwell come into a club whose recruitment structure had been destroyed by the previous manager, he’s had to juggle PSR, and had no money to spend in the market. That list is about as good as we can expect.

We don’t have the resources to buy better, or the recruitment network to cast our net wide to sign potentially great players for little money.

It’s on record. He has had to focus on teams who have been relegated, teams with PSR issues and the few teams who don’t mind money on the drip.

He had to spend the first half of the summer market trying to cut deals for the sake of PSR, even if it meant making us worse, PSR was his main objective.

It’s all out there, player like kudus, gykores, guirassay, gnonto, minteh, all very close to signing but for multiple reasons didn’t come off.

From there you work down your list and he’s had to go to clubs and ask if we put the transfer fee on the very account.

A lot of those players have also been mismanaged by dyche. I know you don’t want to hear that but take someone like Danjuma for example who’s doing very well in Spain, Harrison who’s been played out of position, same with lindstrom, ndyaie, Obrien on the bench despite all centre halves above him have a poor season.

That list would look a lot better if they players had been utilised correctly and if we had just a bit of leverage in the market.

It's been tough of course, but your championing of Harrison just shows why you'll never agree with anything being negative towards our signings. The guy is utter garbage... You say 'oh but he got 16 assists' in his last season at Leeds, well yes, in a team that was so attacking it shipped 78 goals and was relegated as a result. Apparently though he's just not hitting those numbers because we're using him wrong.

Even if you're shopping in the bargain bin, wheeling and dealing, you still need to find a way to make it work... I mean if nothing else where's the pace? Just buy one player with pace FFS. Don't buy an absolute donkey like Beto for £25m... I mean come on, surely anyone can appreciate what an abhorrent use of money that was?

Apparently though we can analyse and criticise certain player, the owner, the manager but not the director of football. Not sure why he's immune to analysis but I guess for whatever reason that's the case

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:42 pm I'm not saying O'Brien is a failure, I'm saying as a signing it's a failure as he's not been used. If you aren't going to use a player buy one you will use instead.

We don't use our sub goalkeeper but I wouldn't go into a season without one.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:02 am It's been tough of course, but your championing of Harrison just shows why you'll never agree with anything being negative towards our signings.

TheRam wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:53 am
Harrison who’s been played out of position

crazy...

MayorFarnham wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 8:05 am We don't use our sub goalkeeper but I wouldn't go into a season without one.

I don't think anyone is suggesting we shouldn't have 4 centre halves. The least people expected though was that Keane would become the 4th best

Yes we need 3 strikers but I don't think anyone expected DCL would still be playing if he was scoring a goal every 6 games

I genuinely don't know how anyone can with a straight face suggest thelwell has been a positive in terms of the 1st team. We've just continued to waste money on players who aren't even good enough to play for us

Wouldn’t mind Harrison getting a couple tbh. Or does every assist means we concede 5 goals? If that’s the case I can live with him never assisting again at any point.

Lol

Championing Harrison.

I’ve called him rubbish on so many occasions.

The facts are, he got a lot more assists in a team that was worse than us and he’s gone a whole year without a goal involvement in a team that has 12 goals from open play in the calendar year.

Maybe, just maybe, a lot of the players in the forward positions are better than how they’re being used?

If he'd never done it ever then fine, but he's had 3 better seasons at LW in the prem, for a worse side than McNeil has ever managed in his career.

Yet comes here and can't cross the road nevermind the fucking ball.

8 goals from playing on the left in one season for Leeds.

In his last season, when they went down, he had 7 goals and 5 assists playing on the left and the right.

Look and Danjumas output everywhere he’s been other than us.

Even beto is just used as a big lump when most of his goals come from running in behind.

I’m not going to judge any attacking players until we have a new manager.