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Cods wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:35 am Hate to say it but that summary could also be written about someone else.

DCL? He's not even on a streak!

I agree with your point though.

Gash wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:37 am DCL? He's not even on a streak!

I agree with your point though.

He had a small streak under Carlo.

Gash wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:13 am He's on streak that goes against anything in his career so far, there's more chance he goes on another drought than keeps this form going. Overall he's still around 1 in 4 for the season and only one assist.

He may well revert to previous form - but there’s also the argument that at 23 (young for a forward) he’ll continue to improve. Beto is what? 26. Damning on the club really to think Simms could have been more benefit to us than someone who’s costing us millions.

That’s not to say Beto won’t come good, I hope he does and soon

NickNack wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:40 am He may well revert to previous form - but there’s also the argument that at 23 (young for a forward) he’ll continue to improve. Beto is what? 26. Damning on the club really to think Simms could have been more benefit to us than someone who’s costing us millions.

That’s not to say Beto won’t come good, I hope he does and soon

Oh I don't disagree that he may improve, personally I don't think he'll be more than a good Championship striker but you never know. But people are using a 3 month streak to bash the club with, if he could only score 3 goals in 26 up to the end of December it's highly likely he'd have been even worse in the PL, he wasn't even first choice starter for a lot of the time this season. He'd have been kept here as a stop gap, sitting on the bench getting the odd minutes here and there but I always felt he looked out his depth at this level.

It's all a bit like when Niasse went on loan to Hull and scored two off his arse against Swansea I think it was and suddenly people were going on like we'd loaned out a top PL striker.

I like simms but beto is miles better come on.

TheRam wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:55 am I like simms but beto is miles better come on.

I honestly think if they'd had the same number if minutes for us this season they'd have the same or almost the same number of goals.

Beto isn't a good player, he's explosive but his touch is league one standard, he's a worse finisher than Simms with better hold up play even though that itself isn't all that good.

I'd say neither press well so pretty even on that score.

Is Simms a Premier League level striker? No.

Is Beto a Premier League level striker? Jury's out on that one, as it stands I'd have to say no.

Have we seen any benefit from selling Simms and bringing in Beto for a lot more money? No. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have sold Simms, we just shouldn't have bought Beto.

Beto's touch and hold up play in the last game were good. Nothing like League One standard.

Just not been trusted or played enough by the dinosaur manager, running DCL into the ground game after game, despite him stinking the place out for a lot of it.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:41 pm I honestly think if they'd had the same number if minutes for us this season they'd have the same or almost the same number of goals.

Beto isn't a good player, he's explosive but his touch is league one standard, he's a worse finisher than Simms with better hold up play even though that itself isn't all that good.

I'd say neither press well so pretty even on that score.

Is Simms a Premier League level striker? No.

Is Beto a Premier League level striker? Jury's out on that one, as it stands I'd have to say no.

Have we seen any benefit from selling Simms and bringing in Beto for a lot more money? No. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have sold Simms, we just shouldn't have bought Beto.

I wonder what player you’ve been watching with this post tbh.

His touch is genuinely good. So is his pressing and he holds it up well. Simms has none of this, he’s just a pure bagger.

Beto scores 40 in the championship

Cods wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:35 am Hate to say it but that summary could also be written about someone else.

Super sexy Sandro

What’s a bagsman

Surprisingly only has none in 10 this season for anyone remotely interested

TheRam wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:48 pm I wonder what player you’ve been watching with this post tbh.

His touch is genuinely good. So is his pressing and he holds it up well. Simms has none of this, he’s just a pure bagger.

Beto scores 40 in the championship

It's not though, a ball DCL would take in one touch takes Beto four.

He can hold it up by sheer determination and will power to get the ball under control but it still bounces around his shins like some lower league player.

Granted he's not had a huge amount of time on the pitch, but his deficiencies in technique are clear to see, and playing regularly won't impact that to the degree he becomes technically a premier league player.

He's just not very good unfortunately and whilst we desperately need him to be it doesn't change the fact he's not a premier league standard player.

League one standard? I get you have to double down but come on.

Bob Sacamano wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:50 pm League one standard? I get you have to double down but come on.

First touch... Not saying he's a league one standard player overall, but his touch is really poor. If you need 4 or 5 touches to control a ball it's hard to argue you're a premier league level player when it comes to that aspect of the game.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:55 pm First touch... Not saying he's a league one standard player overall, but his touch is really poor. If you need 4 or 5 touches to control a ball it's hard to argue you're a premier league level player when it comes to that aspect of the game.

I feel like you’re exaggerating a tad to prove your point. His touch isn’t league one standard and you know it but you can’t back down at this stage I guess.

Bob Sacamano wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:58 pm I feel like you’re exaggerating a tad to prove your point. His touch isn’t league one standard and you know it but you can’t back down at this stage I guess.

Ok 'it's not premier league standard', can we agree on that much at least?

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:04 pm Ok 'it's not premier league standard', can we agree on that much at least?

Probs fine for a bottom half player tbh.