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Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:03 pm
by Evertonian418
it would be nice to see what Thelwell can do with a bit of cash behind him.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:07 pm
by brap2
Yeah I think some of the nearly deals have been exciting and it's a shame one or two from
Elanga
MGW
Gnonto
Guirassy
Kudus
Nuamah
Lad who went to Bournemouth
Didn't pan out. How much is hear say and PR and how much is true - think a year or two with more funds and better structures helps you see.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:13 pm
by Cods
brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:07 pm
Yeah I think some of the nearly deals have been exciting and it's a shame one or two from
Elanga
MGW
Gnonto
Guirassy
Kudus
Nuamah
Lad who went to Bournemouth
Didn't pan out. How much is hear say and PR and how much is true - think a year or two with more funds and better structures helps you see.
Minteh and Diaz as well.
think a few have since confirmed our interest
Gutted we missed out on Kudus.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:37 pm
by AjaxAndy
The Beto signing was just criminal, imagine what we could have done using that money elsewhere... Maybe addressed the right wing issue, or bought a decent full back?
I know the terms of the deal suited us but if the player didn't then what the hell was he thinking?
When you have a tough job you can't afford to make mistakes like spending £33m on Beto and Maupay. For those 2 alone I'd much prefer we entrusted the future spending to a new person.
It's never been an easy job for him, but I also don't think he's done a particularly good job. When I think of some of the players we signed under Moyes for very low fees and how we still won't have loads to spend it makes me want someone who can identify players like modern day Arteta, Jags, Coleman etc. Give me a person with a track record of spending well under tight budgets, not someone who's had a very mixed bag and wasted a large chuck of what little we did have on unsuitable players.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:44 pm
by brap2
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:37 pm
The Beto signing was just criminal, imagine what we could have done using that money elsewhere... Maybe addressed the right wing issue, or bought a decent full back?
I know the terms of the deal suited us but if the player didn't then what the hell was he thinking?
When you have a tough job you can't afford to make mistakes like spending £33m on Beto and Maupay. For those 2 alone I'd much prefer we entrusted the future spending to a new person.
It's never been an easy job for him, but I also don't think he's done a particularly good job. When I think of some of the players we signed under Moyes for very low fees and how we still won't have loads to spend it makes me want someone who can identify players like modern day Arteta, Jags, Coleman etc. Give me a person with a track record of spending well under tight budgets, not someone who's had a very mixed bag and wasted a large chuck of what little we did have on unsuitable players.
We had guirassy done, he was ready to join, but we couldn't make the finances work.
He's since then scored 11 and 26 for Stuttgart, then been sold to Dortmund where he has 6 in 12 in the league and 6 in 6 in the CL.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:51 pm
by AjaxAndy
brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:44 pm
We had guirassy done, he was ready to join, but we couldn't make the finances work.
He's since then scored 11 and 26 for Stuttgart, then been sold to Dortmund where he has 6 in 12 in the league and 6 in 6 in the CL.
Sure but then he went 'oh well couldn't get that guy so I'll use £25m on this other guy who's a million miles away from being a premier league footballer, we can maybe rotate him with the other guy I bought who's wholly unsuitable and a complete bell end'.
He's identified some good players we didn't buy, but he also for some reason identified Maupay and Beto which is surely about as sackable offence as you can get.
Of that list of the players he's signed on a permanent deal (not including add ons) he must have spent somewhere between 40% & 50% of his total outlay on Beto and Maupay combined. That's a huge failure.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:12 pm
by brap2
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:51 pm
Sure but then he went 'oh well couldn't get that guy so I'll use £25m on this other guy who's a million miles away from being a premier league footballer, we can maybe rotate him with the other guy I bought who's wholly unsuitable and a complete bell end'.
He's identified some good players we didn't buy, but he also for some reason identified Maupay and Beto which is surely about as sackable offence as you can get.
Of that list of the players he's signed on a permanent deal (not including add ons) he must have spent somewhere between 40% & 50% of his total outlay on Beto and Maupay combined. That's a huge failure.
I would be very surprised if you found a single man alive who disagreed
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:27 pm
by MayorFarnham
I think Thelwell wouldn't lose too much sleep if we told him we're going in a different direction.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:48 pm
by Cantoffee
Not convinced but hard to know given finances and h9w his hands have been tied.
I do think we have needed a big win (ie bought for £10M-£15M and sold for £40M+) for awhile and we have struggled to get that.
Our big sales have been big buys (Richy and Onana) or players brought in at effectively academy level or through the academy just above (Branthwaite now and Gordon recently).
I dont mind the Onana and Richy type transfers but upside financially is not huge unless they become a PL leading player.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:00 pm
by Bluebridge
I’m pretty sure Maupay was at the very bottom of a shit list, but we needed somebody as we had no forwards and the season had started iirc. And similar with Beto, we got him cos he cost us nothing for the first season and again we needed something.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:19 pm
by Granite
brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:44 pm
We had guirassy done, he was ready to join, but we couldn't make the finances work.
He's since then scored 11 and 26 for Stuttgart, then been sold to Dortmund where he has 6 in 12 in the league and 6 in 6 in the CL.
Apparently Lampard pulled the plug on that one.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:25 pm
by Granite
What’s the success rate for any signing in this league? 50% of signings must bomb? There’s always going to be a few duds, especially the markets we’ve been working in.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 5:32 pm
by 777Kidnappings
The list of permanent signings really isn't to had. His loan signings have been shite though and beyond the individuals we are still completely unbalanced.
I'd rather he went. His good signings are only really decent value and no more and he's no real pedigree before he csme here
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 5:46 pm
by Bluedylan1
Would defo keep and extend him. His instincts in the market are very good on the whole.
Would love to see him with a bit of stability and financial backing.
Re: Thelwell talking strategy
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2024 6:03 pm
by TheRam
No issue with him here.
Keep working at building the structure behind the scenes.
With a bit more money to spend in the market and a manager more aligned with a more modernised approach we should then be able to tell if he’s the right man for the new era.
Impossible to judge him so far imo.