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Reform.

I noticed Beto didn't kneel. Think it's ran it's course now anyway, like any kind of protest when something gets done a lot or feels a little forced after a while then they need to think of some thing new to keep it fresh.

It’s completely pointless.

Just virtue signalling isn’t it.

Gash wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:10 pm I noticed Beto didn't kneel. Think it's ran it's course now anyway, like any kind of protest when something gets done a lot or feels a little forced after a while then they need to think of some thing new to keep it fresh.

I agree with it being pretty useless. It doesn't stop the racism. I'm not surprised some of the black players don't kneel. Must be horrible to know it's just lip service. I know Zaha was a big player against taking the knee a few years ago.

Was horrid to hear the boos from our crowd though.

TheRam wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:14 pm It’s completely pointless.

Just virtue signalling isn’t it.

It is but I doubt the fans are booing because of that reason

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:14 pm It is but I doubt the fans are booing because of that reason

I gave it a boo, but I’am a massive racist to be fair.

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:07 pm Forgot to ask, last weekend, why did people boo the taking of the knee??

Almost started an argument with a couple of old pricks sat behind me actually, booing and telling them to stand up

Grim. And never noticed that at goodison when it's been done.

I was in the Top Balcony last season for the Arsenal match and there a few boos and shouts of "Bring back racism", so definitely happened at Goodison. They also got told to fuck off tbf

Think Ram was in the Top Balc that day actually

Shogun wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 1:01 pm I suppose Spurs' is the same in that regard. I'd just like it to feel like the stadium belongs to Everton given the lack of blue on the outside. There're only a couple of Everton crests that have been stuck on the both ends of the East Stand that tell you it's Everton's stadium and your eyes don't see those because of the massive HILL DICKINSON STADIUM in the middle.

Putting EFC on the South Stand doesn't feel like it's asking for much? Don't see what the negative of it would be.

I'm with you on this mate, I questioned it loads when all the seats were in and there was zero personalisation.

It's a huge stadium but as a non match going fan (so can't appreciate it fully) it seems like it lacks identity when watching on the telly.

You think we'd be so proud of the place we'd use every opportunity to scream to the world THIS IS OURS!

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:07 pm Forgot to ask, last weekend, why did people boo the taking of the knee??

Almost started an argument with a couple of old pricks sat behind me actually, booing and telling them to stand up

Grim. And never noticed that at goodison when it's been done.

The country''s drift towards the right wing and the sort of 'common sense' push back against perceived 'wokeness'.

brap2 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 9:18 pm The country''s drift towards the right wing and the sort of 'common sense' push back against perceived 'wokeness'.

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:07 pm Forgot to ask, last weekend, why did people boo the taking of the knee??

Almost started an argument with a couple of old pricks sat behind me actually, booing and telling them to stand up

Grim. And never noticed that at goodison when it's been done.

At the Newcastle match against Fulham I was in the family section with my 10 year old... Someone in the seat behind me started booing and then shouted 'fuck the cunts!'.

I wanted to say something especially given it's the family section but didn't want to get in an argument so just turned round and gave the guy a proper dad stare which I think did the trick just as well tbf.

I guess though with it being Newcastle there's every chance he thinks taking the knee is in respect of horses, so in that case I do understand his outburst

i think taking the knee is a load of bollox tbh...but would never boo it....
symbolism in football is a bit of double standards i think....taking the knee was throughout time always seen as a sign subservience...so why do it for "against racism" ?
taking your shirt off to celebrate...brings a booking as showing your torso off is frowned upon in some religions....yet players of certain religions can kneel down pointing skywards and praying is allowed....players can make the sign of the cross when going on the pitch....aren't these signs of racism ?
In sport/football don't highlight them...just let them happen..if players wish to do any of them...let them get on with it....

4evablu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 03, 2025 11:54 am i think taking the knee is a load of bollox tbh...but would never boo it....
symbolism in football is a bit of double standards i think....taking the knee was throughout time always seen as a sign subservience...so why do it for "against racism" ?
taking your shirt off to celebrate...brings a booking as showing your torso off is frowned upon in some religions....yet players of certain religions can kneel down pointing skywards and praying is allowed....players can make the sign of the cross when going on the pitch....aren't these signs of racism ?
In sport/football don't highlight them...just let them happen..if players wish to do any of them...let them get on with it....

Your sentiment is solid, but your reasoning is all over the place hah.

When Kaepernick took the knee it was instead of adhering to protocol for the national anthem. He was very specifically calling out the subservience. That's sort of the point.

Nothing else you mentioned had anything to do with racism though. Creedism and bigotry for sure. Even then, if the taking the top off was banned due to it being "frowned upon by certain religions" (i'm not sure this actually was the reason?) - then no religion frowns upon somebody praying. (who they're praying too? sure, plenty of religions get bent out of shape over that).

But, besides all that - i agree. Let people show their faith/culture in whatever way they are most comfortable with and give the dickheads who object a good Cable Street kicking

Haha wtf honestly

Who said getting a yellow for taking your top off has anything to do with religion?

Load of bollocks that.

I was always told, but its not in writing its more for the sponsors, as when a player scores its their most photographed part of the game.
Although, I admit that isn't confirmed, but the religious reasons is a load of bollocks .