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Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:25 pm
by TheRam
I don’t think it was a pen myself.
Certainly doesn’t deserve the outrage it’s getting.
As always, other way round and people would be up in arms at it being given.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:42 pm
by AndSeel
TheRam wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:25 pm
I don’t think it was a pen myself.
Certainly doesn’t deserve the outrage it’s getting.
As always, other way round and people would be up in arms at it being given.
Disagree mate. He doesn't win the ball, the contact prevents DCL from doing so.
Think it would be a free kick outside of the box. Should be a pen.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:55 pm
by Kerryblueboy
If it was given it wouldn’t have been overturned which means it’s a refs call VAR is ruining the game it’s re reffing the game
Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:05 pm
by UnsyisaRhino
AndSeel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:42 pm
Disagree mate. He doesn't win the ball, the contact prevents DCL from doing so.
Think it would be a free kick outside of the box. Should be a pen.
This is my take on it too, if we watched the same challenge on the centre circle I don't think the ref would even hesitate to give a free kick.
I think if the defender is quicker and had already stepped across dom and got kicked, then fair play, but he's throwing himself across Dom with no control and gets very very lucky that Dom's swing hits him before he takes him out.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:12 pm
by AjaxAndy
It's not a penalty because the rule introduced this season means that no matter what the defender does, if the attackers leg moves in to the defender's in any way then it's not a penalty.
Going to the monitor wouldn't have changed anything because it's there in black and white that it's not a penalty.
The rule itself is completely non sensical in this situation, but unfortunately it's the rule.
You can literally do anything you want as a defender now as long as it's the attacker making contact with you and not the other way round.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:55 pm
by UnsyisaRhino
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:12 pm
It's not a penalty because the rule introduced this season means that no matter what the defender does, if the attackers leg moves in to the defender's in any way then it's not a penalty.
Going to the monitor wouldn't have changed anything because it's there in black and white that it's not a penalty.
The rule itself is completely non sensical in this situation, but unfortunately it's the rule.
You can literally do anything you want as a defender now as long as it's the attacker making contact with you and not the other way round.
I didn't realise the rule change was that broad, it has to cause more problems than it solves. Defenders can just do what he did, and launch themself across a player they know is about to kick the ball, and it just results in...nothing? A 'coming together'?
Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:04 pm
by AjaxAndy
UnsyisaRhino wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:55 pm
I didn't realise the rule change was that broad, it has to cause more problems than it solves. Defenders can just do what he did, and launch themself across a player they know is about to kick the ball, and it just results in...nothing? A 'coming together'?
Yeah they've basically fixed the issue of players deliberately kicking in to a defender / throwing a leg out to make contact but made it so a legitimate foul no longer results in a penalty... But it's the premier league and they do something like this every season where about 5 games in it becomes apparent that the rule causes more issues than it solves.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:38 pm
by Cods
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:04 pm
Yeah they've basically fixed the issue of players deliberately kicking in to a defender / throwing a leg out to make contact but made it so a legitimate foul no longer results in a penalty... But it's the premier league and they do something like this every season where about 5 games in it becomes apparent that the rule causes more issues than it solves.
Gives the parasitic multimillion dollar media industry /circus something to chat about during a quiet Tuesday though.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:54 am
by Paddockoldie
Rule change or not. If Keane did that he's giving a pen away. Rules aren't the issue, how they are interpreted and consistency are. Branthwaite being dragged to the floor the other week being a prime example. We got nothing, Newcastle got a pen
Re: James Garner
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 6:40 am
by Cods
Dyche had to check his 'telling it how he really feels' post match comment, when asked about the DCL pen. Fair dues to him too. Consistency would be ok, but against the top half teams you don't get them, and against the peers its 50/50 at best and still we hardly get them.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:35 am
by weimaranerblues
I've changed my mind numerous times but finally think it's a pen , the refs call is interesting as I think if its given , it would still get overturned based on the "new" rules . Just like the Dunk pen got overturned.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:38 am
by The Doc
Sometimes the refs don't give it because they're passing the buck to VAR.
Then VAR say its not clear and obvious so stick with the refs decision. Bit of a cop out for them because i think in a world without VAR, the ref would blow for a pen there.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:37 am
by AjaxAndy
The Doc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2024 7:38 am
Sometimes the refs don't give it because they're passing the buck to VAR.
Then VAR say its not clear and obvious so stick with the refs decision. Bit of a cop out for them because i think in a world without VAR, the ref would blow for a pen there.
Yeah I've been saying the same for over a year now... They leave it for VAR to decide but not making a decision themselves is in itself a decision which VAR can only over turn if it's a clear and obvious error.
You're 100% right that without VAR the ref gives that as a penalty, there's no doubt in my mind.
Re: James Garner
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:32 am
by Audrey Horne
From 2.30 in......
Re: James Garner
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:47 am
by Bob Sacamano
It’s like jamming a stick through the spokes of someone riding their bike. Ref has been absolutely blagged the dopey prick.