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Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:16 pm**

Raptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 12:14 pm It depends on what you class as ok, but from my perspective the entire season was a bore, the results just masked some of it. We played poor, anti football for most of the season, Moyes approach eventually caught up with us and next season will be a continuation of that dour approach - that's a fact as that's the managers preference.
He never should've been invited back. We had a choice when we sacked Dyche, move forward, or move backwards, we choose the latter. I'm more annoyed with TFG than Moyes as this is the choice they took, and they aren't reading the room now by persisting with him - but then again, how would they if they're never in the room....

Moyes was absolutely the right choice when Dyche left us hanging just above the drop zone.

Whether or not he’s the right man now is a different argument, but thinking back you can’t exactly say the team he built with Baines, Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, Fellaini and the likes were always playing negative crap football, because they weren’t. Yes his record against the top teams away wasn’t great but if we win a majority of the other games what does that matter?

I still think given the right tools Moyes is capable of at least getting us into europe and playing better football than recently but like I said earlier I’m not arsed if he stays or goes. I’d be more concerned about who we’d get in to replace him but again, different discussion.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:30 pm**

NickNack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:16 pm Moyes was absolutely the right choice when Dyche left us hanging just above the drop zone.

Whether or not he’s the right man now is a different argument, but thinking back you can’t exactly say the team he built with Baines, Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, Fellaini and the likes were always playing negative crap football, because they weren’t. Yes his record against the top teams away wasn’t great but if we win a majority of the other games what does that matter?

I still think given the right tools Moyes is capable of at least getting us into europe and playing better football than recently but like I said earlier I’m not arsed if he stays or goes. I’d be more concerned about who we’d get in to replace him but again, different discussion.

I agree in terms of what does it matter where the results come so long as we get enough of them but describing his away record at the top teams as not great is a massive overstatement

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:48 pm**

NickNack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:16 pm Moyes was absolutely the right choice when Dyche left us hanging just above the drop zone.

Whether or not he’s the right man now is a different argument, but thinking back you can’t exactly say the team he built with Baines, Arteta, Pienaar, Cahill, Fellaini and the likes were always playing negative crap football, because they weren’t. Yes his record against the top teams away wasn’t great but if we win a majority of the other games what does that matter?

I still think given the right tools Moyes is capable of at least getting us into europe and playing better football than recently but like I said earlier I’m not arsed if he stays or goes. I’d be more concerned about who we’d get in to replace him but again, different discussion.

Was he the right choice? I think it depends on what your ambitions are. In hindsight, Dyche would've probably kept us up, in fact I'm confident any manager would've got the new manager bounce and kept us up. Spurs were in dire problems, they could've gone the Moyes safe pair of hands route in Dyche, but they didn't, they wanted to build with an ambitious manager that wants to play and dominate games, and it'll pay dividends whilst we're stuck 20 years behind

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:59 pm**

It's incredibly easy to say any manager could have kept us up because there's no way of proving otherwise, but it doesn't make it true.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 2:00 pm**

Raptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:48 pm Was he the right choice? I think it depends on what your ambitions are. In hindsight, Dyche would've probably kept us up, in fact I'm confident any manager would've got the new manager bounce and kept us up. Spurs were in dire problems, they could've gone the Moyes safe pair of hands route in Dyche, but they didn't, they wanted to build with an ambitious manager that wants to play and dominate games, and it'll pay dividends whilst we're stuck 20 years behind

I think he was. What were we, 1 point above the drop zone? In that situation with a chunk of the season already gone surely the priority was staying up above all else and it was mission accomplished and then some. Move forward to now and like I said it’s a different debate.

“Any manager” could also have got us relegated

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 2:06 pm**

Disappointing interview - also why did the Talksport people spend so long talking to him, a Scottish manager, about the a England game, you could tell within seconds he wasn’t the right person to share insights.

I wonder now that he’s been at the club for 18 months, Moyes might have become a bit worn down already, it definitely feels like in the last few months it has gone very stale. Seems a common theme with the last few managers we’ve had.

Still the Brentford comment is stupid, does he not remember getting criticised for saying Man Utd should aspire to be like City back during his very short spell at Man Utd?

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 2:10 pm**

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:30 pm I agree in terms of what does it matter where the results come so long as we get enough of them but describing his away record at the top teams as not great is a massive overstatement

Ok it was massively shit. Still think winning the games you’d be expected to win trumps beating 4 or 6 other teams in their own back yard. I get it’s the negative set up a lot of the time but that wasn’t always the case. Man u 4-4 for example?

The way we finished the season has massively changed perception downwards and lowered the mood. If things don’t improve there will have to be a change but it’s not beyond the realms of possibility we can improve massively even under Moyes. That’s the hope as I don’t see us changing manager any time soon unless it goes badly next season.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 3:27 pm**

Brownie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2026 12:52 pm I’m getting to an age when, after busting a gut all week in an increasingly difficult job, I don’t really want to be getting up at 5am to make the trek for only the possibility of some joy. Add in getting home at 10pm then I’m sure I can find something more enjoyable closer to home and cheaper

Is that you, Davey?

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 3:52 pm**

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 3:27 pm Is that you, Davey?

Indeed it is

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 5:44 pm**

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 1:59 pm It's incredibly easy to say any manager could have kept us up because there's no way of proving otherwise, but it doesn't make it true.

When he took over we were 16th on 17 points after 19 games, with a game in hand. As it turned out we needed 9 points from our remaining 19 games, even Mike Walker would've kept us up that season, so it is easy to say, but on this occasion it is true

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 6:14 pm**

AndSeel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 11:01 am I think the club just having any sort of standard rather than 'that will do' would do my mental health the world of good.

As the famous philosopher Mediocrates said "Nah.... Good enough"

Should have that in Latin on our crest.

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 6:51 pm**

Raptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 5:44 pm When he took over we were 16th on 17 points after 19 games, with a game in hand. As it turned out we needed 9 points from our remaining 19 games, even Mike Walker would've kept us up that season, so it is easy to say, but on this occasion it is true

We cant really be complaining about decisions with hindsight. He was the right appointment when he was appointed and he did amazingly that season. The problems are since. We wasted the money and we regressed results wise

Posted: **Sun Jun 21, 2026 9:07 pm**

Raptor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2026 5:44 pm When he took over we were 16th on 17 points after 19 games, with a game in hand. As it turned out we needed 9 points from our remaining 19 games, even Mike Walker would've kept us up that season, so it is easy to say, but on this occasion it is true

Yes but we didn't know that at the time, so we had to act in a way that was appropriate to the situation.

Ultimately it's correct to say pretty much anyone could have kept us up, but you don't make decisions at the time with the hindsight of the future.

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