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Escalator wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 6:44 pm That’s quite an amateur psychologists assessment ! I find your view that he is then the sole reason that we then lose a game once he has made a mistake (not that any other players ever make mistakes) a little difficult to accept.

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 6:50 pm That’s not exactly my point. My point is that he goes missing so badly we are essentially a person down at the back.

Do you disagree that if we are a man down at the back that this puts us at a huge disadvantage? Or do you believe that a shellshocked Keane wandering around disoriented, barely keeping up with play is an easy thing for our team to carry? (Along with a right footed midfielder at left back and a makeshift 6’6” CB playing at right back)

And you’re right that any psychology on my part is amateur. I can only describe what it looks like to me. Please do not take any of this as medical advice and seek guidance from a professional. Hope that made it clearer.

Matt1878 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:22 pm Any stats showing errors leading to goals or some opta related shenanigans...? Just to be a bit more scientific about it?

There's always going to be a player who divides fan's opinions and there's always going to be fans who are more glass half full or half empty. Keano threads should probably come with a trigger warning.

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:03 pm I watch with my eyes....I dont need opta to tell me what is happening?

A small error that 99% of.players would forget and try to figure out getting out of that mindset. Keane cant and then it becomes a shambles.

It happens every time.

Like ive.said it may not be a direct error leading to a direct goal but you see the panic through the team when he makes mistakes because he will go under.

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:03 pm I watch with my eyes....I dont need opta to tell me what is happening?

A small error that 99% of.players would forget and try to figure out getting out of that mindset. Keane cant and then it becomes a shambles.

It happens every time.

Like ive.said it may not be a direct error leading to a direct goal but you see the panic through the team when he makes mistakes because he will go under.

Matt1878 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:15 pm So not only is he to blame for being unable to put mistakes behind him, that his teammates could put behind them... those mistakes cause the whole team to panic ....and no one is able to put it behind them.

So Michael Keanes' mistakes impact other players more than if they had made the mistakes themselves.

Sounds like an energy vampire... we should call him Colin Robinson.

Matt1878 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 5:22 pm Any stats showing errors leading to goals or some opta related shenanigans...? Just to be a bit more scientific about it?

There's always going to be a player who divides fan's opinions and there's always going to be fans who are more glass half full or half empty. Keano threads should probably come with a trigger warning.

Escalator wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:14 pm Thought Garner was your whipping boy ?

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:19 pm You can piss off you ghoul.

And why you shit your pants yesterday and delete that comment to me?

Risky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 7:22 pm The thing that I always notice about Keane when he loses his head is that his positional sense just completely goes out the window. The basic positioning and covering space that you would expect an amateur CB to be capable of seems to disappear and he leaves massive holes in our backline. It's the kind of thing that results in the entire defence ending up out of shape, but often goes unnoticed to a degree as it's not a glaringly obvious mistake like losing the ball stupidly.

Having said that, he's been great for a while now and hopefully it will continue. He's a likeable person and I'm pleased for him. That doesn't mean that it makes keeping him the right thing to have done, as I think Ram said earlier in the thread we'd have been better off IMO getting in a proper RB and then we'd have JOB playing CB for example. It's not some big gotcha against anyone that thought we shouldn't have kept him that he's currently in the team and playing well, we've seen plenty of times that he can play well for a run of games so it's not something new.

Interestingly I remember one of the biggest arguments for keeping him was that as 4th choice CB he'd barely play, so actually what's happened is something different anyway. So again, makes some of the gotchas in this thread a little hollow.