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fxceltic wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:01 pm any change in Thelwell sentiment following the showing of O'Brien and Lindstrom yesterday?

I think its a huge uptick in his % success rate to now see what those two can actually do with a decent manager

I think a lot of people on here (myself included) think Thelwell has done a decent job.

Think back to someone like Danjuma. He 100% would've been a more than useful attacking option under Moyes.

I've liked Lindstrom for a while despite not rating Thelwell, JOB has had one game so don't think we can judge too much yet... Would be great if it works out now that there's a different a manager though

We’re the only team to generate a positive net spend over the last few years. The fact he’s managed to do that and bring in players decent enough to maintain our status as a premier league club surely means he’s doing a good (or at the very worst a very decent) job?

I know some posters like to bitch and moan (repeatedly) about how poor his signings have been, but maybe they’re not taking into account the full context of our position, or the task he’s been dealt


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Jamokachi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:43 am We’re the only team to generate a positive net spend over the last few years. The fact he’s managed to do that and bring in players decent enough to maintain our status as a premier league club surely means he’s doing a good (or at the very worst a very decent) job?

I know some posters like to bitch and moan (repeatedly) about how poor his signings have been, but maybe they’re not taking into account the full context of our position, or the task he’s been dealt


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I think part of it comes down to him seemingly not addressing glaring weaknesses in the squad. We've been desperately in need of quality in a few positions for a while, a left back who can play in both directions, maybe even a right back as right now we only get a complete player when we combine the 3 we have, a 10 who can do the hard work and pass a ball.

I doubt it's all on him, and he's probably struggled to find solutions we can afford, but when we see what was spent on people like maupay, it doesn't help his case.

If Bournemouth can build a solid team up with an income a fraction of ours, then we should be able to as well. Same can apply to Brighton and Hove Albion.

We've done a poor job at recruitment, regardless of the issues behind the scenes.

Players like Beto & Jack Harrison shouldn't be anywhere close to our squad.

NomadskiEFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:45 pm If Bournemouth can build a solid team up with an income a fraction of ours, then we should be able to as well. Same can apply to Brighton and Hove Albion.

We've done a poor job at recruitment, regardless of the issues behind the scenes.

Players like Beto & Jack Harrison shouldn't be anywhere close to our squad.

Yeah, and can’t say I’m happy with the rumours that Moyes wants to bring players in to “hit the ground running”

Sounds like a variation on “prem proven”, and “players for the here and now”

sam of the south wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:53 pm Yeah, and can’t say I’m happy with the rumours that Moyes wants to bring players in to “hit the ground running”

Sounds like a variation on “prem proven”, and “players for the here and now”

It does, but if we don't read into it too much, he's not wrong.

Anyone who's being bought for the future or they have concerns about being ready this season, isn't going to solve our problems and help keep us up.

There's a balance in there somewhere though, as with limited funds, there is always going to be some risk

No problem with a couple of decent “prem proven” if they’re loans or cheap buys on fairly short deals. We can plan more for the future in the summer

UnsyisaRhino wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:31 pm It does, but if we don't read into it too much, he's not wrong.

Anyone who's being bought for the future or they have concerns about being ready this season, isn't going to solve our problems and help keep us up.

There's a balance in there somewhere though, as with limited funds, there is always going to be some risk

I guess it depends on whether you think we have enough in the squad now to stay up (I do)

Plus, any really good young prospect over the age of 20 would be fit for purpose in the here and now as well as the future, if you back yourself as a coach.

*Edit: and yeah, considering the dinosaur’s we’ve had in charge recently, I think most of us are entitled to “read into it too much” (even Ancelotti wasn’t arsed with developing players)

NickNack wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:42 pm No problem with a couple of decent “prem proven” if they’re loans or cheap buys on fairly short deals. We can plan more for the future in the summer

Thats it for me too, its the logical approach. And although it feels like we've been saying that same thing for 4 years, we have new owners in now so hopefully it happens this time.

We also lose loads of prem ready players in the summer so we can't just buy purely on potential alone.

A few smart low cost buys of players 25-28 on not ridiculous contracts are going to be needed in the summer if not now. It's why I'd be on board with Walker Peters for £5m-£7m because he'd replace Young and that's a shrewd move providing we balance it with some high potential and high sell on fee 20 year old elsewhere.

I think “Premier League ready” or “ready to hit the ground running” are more about player strengths and attitude than age profile.

I’m not reading too much into that.

sam of the south wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:40 pm I guess it depends on whether you think we have enough in the squad now to stay up (I do)

Plus, any really good young prospect over the age of 20 would be fit for purpose in the here and now as well as the future, if you back yourself as a coach.

*Edit: and yeah, considering the dinosaur’s we’ve had in charge recently, I think most of us are entitled to “read into it too much” (even Ancelotti wasn’t arsed with developing players)

I think maybe one more attacking outlet would be enough for me, preferably some pace or someone with an eye for a pass.

That's fair, and the post kenwright era is littered with signings meant to make a difference now that we paid over the odds for, and very few of them worked out. Would it have been worse spending less on potential and actually planning for the future, I doubt it.

NomadskiEFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:45 pm If Bournemouth can build a solid team up with an income a fraction of ours, then we should be able to as well. Same can apply to Brighton and Hove Albion.

We've done a poor job at recruitment, regardless of the issues behind the scenes.

Players like Beto & Jack Harrison shouldn't be anywhere close to our squad.

But they haven't been crippled financially (which happened before KT). You've cited two very well run clubs. Man Utd would be a better comparison to us these days!

Maybe you have false expectations of where the club is, financially?

sam of the south wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:53 pm Yeah, and can’t say I’m happy with the rumours that Moyes wants to bring players in to “hit the ground running”

Sounds like a variation on “prem proven”, and “players for the here and now”

But it always needs to be a balance. You do need those players, as well as young and potential filled.