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Jamokachi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:32 pm But it always needs to be a balance. You do need those players, as well as young and potential filled.

Yeah I know, man, just efc ptsd

Jamokachi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:31 pm But they haven't been crippled financially (which happened before KT). You've cited two very well run clubs. Man Utd would be a better comparison to us these days!

Maybe you have false expectations of where the club is, financially?

There’s no argument that Bournemouth have been better run than us, I’m just saying Bournemouth live in a constant state of financial restriction due to their size but have still built up a wonderful team and if they can we can’t really use our financial issues of these last few years to be an excuse.

I mean the gap between capacities of BMD and GP is bigger than Bournemouth’s home capacity. I’m not over egging our financial status, but vs Bournemouth our yearly income is massive.

The point is you don’t need a massive expenditure to spend wisely and build a team that is stronger than its component parts, and Bournemouth and BHA are two classic examples of it.

My biggest hope with FSG is we can start heading that way.

NomadskiEFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:43 pm There’s no argument that Bournemouth have been better run than us, I’m just saying Bournemouth live in a constant state of financial restriction due to their size but have still built up a wonderful team and if they can we can’t really use our financial issues of these last few years to be an excuse.

I mean the gap between capacities of BMD and GP is bigger than Bournemouth’s home capacity. I’m not over egging our financial status, but vs Bournemouth our yearly income is massive.

The point is you don’t need a massive expenditure to spend wisely and build a team that is stronger than its component parts, and Bournemouth and BHA are two classic examples of it.

My biggest hope with FSG is we can start heading that way.

True.

Problem is of course how each club have run things compared to their means. They’re operating within theirs, and we’ve gone crazy-stupid high-risk the past near-decade and are suffering in heavy handcuffs, having undergone the 5th biggest squad fire-sale in world football over the last 5 years, and by far the biggest in England over that time.

I hope we can move to a more sensible track. But despite a good result last game we maybe still need a small sugar rush to get us over the May finish line and secure a rosier immediate future.

If it were ‘year zero’, then yes we could compare to Bournemouth, but we’re in year 147 and a lot has gone on recently that needs a huge overhaul, from the ground up. The direction of momentum the club is on still needs time to change.

NomadskiEFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:43 pm There’s no argument that Bournemouth have been better run than us, I’m just saying Bournemouth live in a constant state of financial restriction due to their size but have still built up a wonderful team and if they can we can’t really use our financial issues of these last few years to be an excuse.

I mean the gap between capacities of BMD and GP is bigger than Bournemouth’s home capacity. I’m not over egging our financial status, but vs Bournemouth our yearly income is massive.

The point is you don’t need a massive expenditure to spend wisely and build a team that is stronger than its component parts, and Bournemouth and BHA are two classic examples of it.

My biggest hope with FSG is we can start heading that way.

But these are clubs that have years and years of being well run. This thread is comparing a DoF who was tasked with firefighting to those that are building on solid foundations. Sure, we might generate more money, but at the rate in which we were haemorrhaging that doesn't mean we could spend more.

You've probably picked the two worst comparisons in these two.

NomadskiEFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:43 pm There’s no argument that Bournemouth have been better run than us, I’m just saying Bournemouth live in a constant state of financial restriction due to their size but have still built up a wonderful team and if they can we can’t really use our financial issues of these last few years to be an excuse.

I mean the gap between capacities of BMD and GP is bigger than Bournemouth’s home capacity. I’m not over egging our financial status, but vs Bournemouth our yearly income is massive.

The point is you don’t need a massive expenditure to spend wisely and build a team that is stronger than its component parts, and Bournemouth and BHA are two classic examples of it.

My biggest hope with FSG is we can start heading that way.

£141m v £172m

NomadskiEFC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:45 pm If Bournemouth can build a solid team up with an income a fraction of ours, then we should be able to as well. Same can apply to Brighton and Hove Albion.

We've done a poor job at recruitment, regardless of the issues behind the scenes.

Players like Beto & Jack Harrison shouldn't be anywhere close to our squad.

this seems to make sense at face value, but the reality is its cash. Bournemouth et al have some, we have/ had none, trying to buy players on klarna when competing with clubs who can put some cash down means we are going to lose out on players to those clubs

Also, no DoF gets it all right, no doubt Bournemouth have also bought some duds

Does Thelwell get another deal then?

Seems like a lot of the signings that were appearing questionable, all of a sudden are looking capable.

He seems to have done a good job on balance under tough conditions, probably the best overall we've had in this role so far?

Depends how he’s getting on with Moyes, I think.

Yes, Moyes is hands on and likes to control things but I also think he respects capable people who can do the work he doesn’t have time for.

If Thelwell is deemed to be doing a good job organizing and maintaining player knowledge and isn’t at odds with Moyes, I imagine he stays.

But I also know absolutely nothing.

Comms from the club klaxon

- Everton Director of Football, Kevin Thelwell, sits down with evertontv to reflect on the January transfer window and the Club's current PSR position, as well as looking forward to a "big" summer ahead and reasons to be optimisic for Evertonians.

Red flag sending Harrison Armstrong to Derby and they sack their manager 2 days later

I just think there is too much to do at clubs nowadays for the manager to do it all. More staff, bigger youth setups, bigger coaching team. And that’s not even managing the scouting side of things and trying to find players.

I am sure Moyes appreciates the job he is doing.

Shogun wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:45 pm Red flag sending Harrison Armstrong to Derby and they sack their manager 2 days later

What do you mean?

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:00 pm What do you mean?

You'd think if we're sending out (talented) youngsters to the best clubs for their development then we'd do a lot of due diligence on the state of the club, the manager, style of play, mood around the club, stability, etc. Yet we've just sent him to Derby and they've sacked their manager a couple of days later.

Don't think it paints the club's player development process in a very positive light.

Shogun wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:13 pm You'd think if we're sending out (talented) youngsters to the best clubs for their development then we'd do a lot of due diligence on the state of the club, the manager, style of play, mood around the club, stability, etc. Yet we've just sent him to Derby and they've sacked their manager a couple of days later.

Don't think it paints the club's player development process in a very positive light.

I dunno. We’re both speculating but I don’t think they’d have told us anything negative before a decision was made, even if it was on the table.

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:15 pm I dunno. We’re both speculating but I don’t think they’d have told us anything negative before a decision was made, even if it was on the table.

Probably could have been guessed though? I imagine just looking at where they are in the table and reading Derby fans' reactions to what was going on would have given it away. Warne was being criticized for Dyche-standards of football as well.

The change in manager will probably benefit Armstrong but yeah, not great on the club's part sending him to a mess