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I know a dud we could get rid of

Raptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:26 am Personally, I think any manager with his approach has a short shelf life with any squad. I'd be amazed if you asked any footballer in the world if they dreamt about playing Dyche ball, it's fucking depressing, and being constantly drilled to defend, to be compact, to suck the life out of the game will go against pretty much every instinct they have as a footballer, and it shouldn't be the way we play, imo.
I don't think players are not giving their all or trying to do what's asked, but I do suspect they have all had enough of this tedious approach to playing football.
The players aren't rubbish, you have full international players all over the pitch, but the life and enjoyment of playing football has well and truly been sucked out of all of them

We see post after post calling almost all of our players shite every week.

Those that aren't shite are good at a very limited number of things, aging or likely to be sold next season. The rest aren't good enough if we want to be better than scrapping for relegation each year.

That doesn't take the blame away from dyche. Both things can be true.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:15 am Can that evidence be used in defence of the manager too. There's much more evidence that they are crap than they aren't.

These players have been consistently rubbish over a number of seasons. For us and for other teams. There's barely anyone who's had an premier league success not under dyche who isn't old as fuck or hasn't had a long term injury

Horrific:
Mykolenko
Harrison

Massively dropped off this season:
Tarks
Doucoure

Just a bit shit overall:
Lindstrom
Young

Ok but limited:
DCL
McNeil

Add in no pace whatsoever and it's fair to say we neither have a good set of players nor any threat with pace or creativity (which Forest showed yesterday how important those things are).

We were a mid table team with Richarlison, Digne, Iwobi, James, a younger and more effective Doucoure and Gana so take out the good players and age those that remained and the fact is we would struggle regardless of who is in charge.

Wolves have shown though what a change of manager can do, just something to lift everyone when something isn't working anymore. New ideas, players wanting to impress the new man and just enjoying their football. We desperately need this right now.

Raptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:26 am I'd be amazed if you asked any footballer in the world if they dreamt about playing Dyche ball, it's fucking depressing, and being constantly drilled to defend, to be compact, to suck the life out of the game will go against pretty much every instinct they have as a footballer, and it shouldn't be the way we play, imo.

Who could fail to be excited to play in a 4-5-1 that transitions on the break to a 4-5-----1.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:29 am I mean come on. I doubt you've ever even seen o brien play a competitive 90 minutes. Saying these players are probably duds isn't some outlandish claim

Seen plenty of o Brien for Lyon and for Ireland enough to see he has something to offer Patterson played really well yesterday when introduced but will be back on the bench again because dyche plays favourites and only wants his full back to defend

I can't stress how much I'm desperate for him to be gone now.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:15 am Can that evidence be used in defence of the manager too. There's much more evidence that they are crap than they aren't.

These players have been consistently rubbish over a number of seasons. For us and for other teams. There's barely anyone who's had an premier league success not under dyche who isn't old as fuck or hasn't had a long term injury

We are talking about how we have performed this season, so, no, it can’t be used as a defence as it completely contradicts your constant insistence of how bad the players are.

TheRam wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:13 am We are talking about how we have performed this season, so, no, it can’t be used as a defence as it completely contradicts your constant insistence of how bad the players are.

So everyone is capable of better. Players have been ahite this season manager has been shite this season. Both were much better last season. We just need to turn the corner I guess

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:15 am So everyone is capable of better. Players have been ahite this season manager has been shite this season. Both were much better last season. We just need to turn the corner I guess

Which isn’t happening under this manager as all the numbers suggest.

It’s time for him to go and for some fresh ideas to be implemented.

15th and away from the relegation zone is all I ask for at this point. Dyche won’t even achieve that.

TheRam wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:17 am Which isn’t happening under this manager as all the numbers suggest.

It’s time for him to go and for some fresh ideas to be implemented.

15th and away from the relegation zone is all I ask for at this point. Dyche won’t even achieve that.

I absolutely agree with you. All I'm saying is it's time for these players to go too. They are also crap. That's just harder to do

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:20 am I absolutely agree with you. All I'm saying is it's time for these players to go too. They are also crap. That's just harder to do

Correct, so for now, not worth mentioning as a point or counter point to the other argument.

Our club is going nowhere under this manager, with these players or with recruitment being done by the current dof

I'm not defending dyche I'm just very much against the suggestion that we don't have other equally big problems

I want a new manager too but they’ve almost certainly already failed.

Yep, we don’t need this discussing every single time.

All in agreement dyche should go? Then that’s it.

Granite wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2024 11:23 am I want a new manager too but they’ve almost certainly already failed.

Lol.