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Juanito wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:58 pm If he had any sense he wouldn’t play him RW sitting in front of “Youngy”, then. You’re taking snippets of what I say to make your own argument.

You know im saying a good young coach has a team with half a squad of League 1 players and are sitting above us. What is wrong with getting goal scorers from the Championship ?

We made our name under Moyes getting goal scorers from the championship, see Cahill. See Bowen now.

Anyway, I give up and will respond to you when the new coach gets a tune out of these players, has something resembling patterns or play and we sit comfortably in 12th.

Kind regards

Will happily have you a bet now that we don't finish in the top 12 next season regardless of manager or what we spend.

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:02 pm Will happily have you a bet now that we don't finish in the top 12 next season regardless of manager or what we spend.

I will wait until I see who the coach is and you’re on, as if it’s still Dyche, that will be like printing money for you

Shogun wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:51 pm Lampard is a terrible manager though, the worst we've had from a tactical point of view. You can go to far the other way where you're just doing rondos all day in training and nothing else but vibes.

The passing didn’t improve in any measurable way though. He is definitely terrible overall for this level but to say him and his coaching staff can’t set up the training and give instructions for what they want is a bit ridiculous

The mystery for me is why we aren't even as good as last season? We were safe with games to go... suggests something has changed in the dynamics of the management and players.

TheRam wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:58 pm We were one of the best pressing teams in the league last season.

No we don’t even press and are the most passive team off the ball in the league. Why is that?

And yes, Lampard tried to play a different way but we was a very poor manager so had the right idea but couldn’t implement it right. Similar has happened to rooney.

Let’s not get bogged down again in the style of football debate.

You can play a similar way to what dyche wants and do it a lot better.

We had Godfrey’s recovery pace, Onana’s tackling and quality on the ball, even James Garners basic all round skills are missing from the midfield. We were able to push further onto teams because of them, even with their varying limitations.

Bornblue88 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:18 pm We had Godfrey’s recovery pace, Onana’s tackling and quality on the ball, even James Garners basic all round skills are missing from the midfield. We were able to push further onto teams because of them, even with their varying limitations.

I don’t see why missing those three players means we have to drop to such a bad level of performance.

The thing with Dyche is that he always seems to magic up a result when the pressure that is on him is at peak levels.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he stayed and got a couple of random wins under his belt to fight off his own execution.

The one positive is that it doesn’t feel like the players have downed tools. No matter how badly the manager is getting on, that’s something I hate to see.

TheRam wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:16 pm Would change a lot.

Would bring back the press from last season to start and make us harder to play through.

If we’re going to be direct then we need to get players in crossing positions. Put Young left back, Patterson right back, making life easier for the right mid so he doesn’t have to beat three men all the time just go cross the ball.

Id move ndyaie inside, and play lindstrom from the left. We’d look a lot better on the break with ndyaie breaking with the ball instead of Doucoure.

Would also like to see more patterns of play when we do break. They players clearly aren’t given instructions on where to be, what pass to play, how to get in good shooting positions etc. it’s all off the cuff.

The formation and the players aren’t the issue at this point. It’s what they’re being asked to do and not to do.

The players aren’t great but they’re a lot better than this.

I’m sure Dyche would press high if we could. He was the manager last season after all.

While some of that might work better, I just think a team with good players scores open play goals regardless of tactics and instructions. Maybe not loads, but some. It’s all just ‘let’s try anything we haven’t before and it will work better’.

Patterson was terrible against Bournemouth and cost us a point imo. It could be a one off performance but can we afford to let him learn in the job atm? I don’t know

If he does get the wins, however lucky, that's good news. He's getting replaced in the summer no matter what.

I don’t really think it’s about missing certain players. Onana would certainly help, mind you.

Our early struggles, especially the Bournemouth collapse, seem to have broken his willingness to take any risks at all and pressuring the ball is a risk of sorts since you’re exposed when the opposition beats it.

Our lack of commitment applying pressure or passing the ball basically gives lesser opposition free license to wait for us to get impatient, whether it’s one man chasing the ball out of position or someone trying a killer ball that isn’t on, then exploit the space that appears after the fact.

It’s why we look better against teams who play on the front foot. They don’t give us opportunities to lose our positional discipline or take silly, hopeless chances on the ball.

Our approach is complete cowardice. No, the squad isn’t good but deflecting these valid criticisms is just pure delusion. He has to go. Someone can get these players to apply pressure, someone can get them combining effectively in a few areas of the final third, and that someone is no longer Dyche.

I’ve felt that we’d ultimately be fine for most of the season but this latest spell, even with three nice draws against big clubs, is a major inflection point. We are so anemic in attack that it’s impossible to imagine how we’ll win enough games to up and the defense gets less effective against worse sides.

TheRam wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:24 pm I don’t see why missing those three players means we have to drop to such a bad level of performance.

Godfrey and Onana were also useful at set pieces. The team is shorter and physically weaker this season.

3 players can make all the difference.

Just watching the shite. A team who look like they are enjoying their football.

Where does the notion that teams should at least maintain the performance levels of the previous season come from. Villa, City and Arsenal have all droped their form from last season. It happens every season to lots of teams.

Would be interesting to know how many goals under Dyche have resulted from a press intercepting the ball in the final third. It feels like that has completely disappeared this year.

It’s just impossible to know how we are trying to score goals from open play under Dyche. There are zero patterns of play that are repetitive. Most of this play doesn’t result in chances, but rather set pieces.

MayorFarnham wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2025 4:47 pm Where does the notion that teams should at least maintain the performance levels of the previous season come from. Villa, City and Arsenal have all droped their form from last season. It happens every season to lots of teams.

I don't think it's the notion they should I think it's the idea that the team can reach better levels than it is right now