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Shogun wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:41 am I'd still reiterate that 2 and a half years is too long. 18 months was all that was necessary and I don't really think Moyes had the leverage to push for further than that. Now it's happened then got to just accept it and hope for the best.

I absolutely think Moyes is a better manager than Benitez, Lampard and Dyche... So in comparison to those three then I'm content with the appointment. I do think we'll be okay under him and any frustrations will come much further down the line when we're hopefully in a better place.

Moyes left us in a good place 12 years ago and if he can sort us out in a similar way for when he leaves this time then it will have been a good appointment. I don't see Moyes as a man to bring us success but I do think he can lay down the foundation for success and realistically that's where we are as a club. Fully behind him.

I think he does have leverage for 2 and a half years over 18 months personally. He is in a good position to put himself in the hat for any managerial role outside the top 7 when a club innevitably looks for Premier League experience, as the season progresses and pressure mounts.

I personally think we need to buy a couple of forwards in the window and we don't have time to worry about 12 more months or less on the manager's contract.

Think it should have been much earlier, he would have been much better in the transfer market and maybe we could have kept the good ones we had to sell, after Koeman would have done me.

Gash wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:26 am I see the usual reactionary posters getting a downer on things without actually looking at what's happened over the last few days and weeks. This isn't the scenario the owners wanted, they wanted to give Dyche until the end of the the season, get us safe and move to BMD in the PL, it became clear at the beginning of the week that Dyche didn't have the stomach for the fight anymore so the club had to act. This is a compromise appointment that they hope will keep us in the PL, it's imperative that we do, relegation and moving to BMD would be a disaster.

This isn't like Liverpool replacing Klopp where they had months and a stable environment to do so, it needed it done quickly as things had quite clearly turned sour behind the scenes, it's a safe appointment, not a lazy one. It's maybe not the Hollywood signing that some people wanted but it's a far more sensible option than the likes of fucking ten Hag and all the other names that people are throwing around, he's available, knows the club and despite what people may think, is a pretty good manager. It wouldn't be my choice long term and it's perhaps a bit boring but it's easy to see why they've done it and there's plenty of good reasons for it too.

It's typical though, people moaned about Moshiri, so we get rid of one of the worst owners in PL history and the usual posters are out sharpening the knives for the new owners already, people wanted rid of Dyche and they're moaning about his replacement too with out looking at the bigger situation. They've just bailed us out, made us effectively debt free and have huge issues to sort out on and off the field, changing manager wasn't one of them yet here we are with people already saying they've no plan etc. There really is no pleasing some of you.

100% this.

Looking forward to seeing Per Kroldrup as the new "heading coach" as well

We all know managers do great the second time round at Everton don't we

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Gash wrote:I don't think it would matter who we appointed, deep down we're all worried. This season feels different, even with our long winless run last season and the points deduction it just feels a little different and there isn't the same fight. Maybe there's a few players coming to the end of their contracts so they don't have the same hunger to stay up but hopefully Moyes can instill some fight in them.

I think the fact that Dyche was clearly leaving in the summer was part of that - hard to feel like you need to impress the boss when he’s off imminently.

For a lot of the players they’re now looking at the next two seasons under Moyes and will want to prove their worth

I’ve seen a lot of blues lately write off Dyche’s draws vs the big sides as they don’t matter as much as beating your relegation rivals for the three points.

Moyes is much better at the latter, even if we’ll pick up less hard fought draws against the top sides

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The end effectively arrived seven days ago. At the Vitality Stadium, Everton had been beaten 1-0 by Bournemouth and everything about Sean Dyche told you he was a man who had been driven to distraction.

His answers in a five-minute press conference became increasingly short but every statement was pored over. One, which referenced his surprise that Jarrad Branthwaite had come up short in the build-up to David Brooks’ decisive goal, certainly caused ripples in Everton’s dressing room.

There was a sense of disengagement from several players, who had grown increasingly weary of Dyche. But, crucially, there were signs that the manager’s reserves had all but emptied. He had been in constant discussions with the Friedkin Group (TFG), Everton’s new owners, but the energy he emitted caused concern.

Was he the man to keep leading them forward? The answer, firmly, was ‘no’. When you have just made a colossal investment but Premier League relegation stalks you like a big cat in the wild, ready to pounce, there is no choice but to start making contingency plans.

It was why, on Sunday, the prospect of Graham Potter becoming the new man to lead Everton was real. The new owners had assessed the landscape and started due diligence on the former Chelsea boss, making discreet enquiries to learn more about his way of working.

At Finch Farm, Everton’s training base, that same day, the sense that change was coming was real. Those who have been around the club for a long time know the signals and some even felt that a severance with Dyche would be announced before the weekend was out

But Everton paused and, spying an opportunity themselves, West Ham moved in for Potter. The hesitation would have a significant bearing on how the next few days panned out, a sliding doors moment for all involved.

On Monday, with Finch Farm closed and Dyche’s squad having a scheduled day off — they rarely train on what is called ‘matchday minus three’ — Potter headed to meet David Sullivan, West Ham’s chairman, and spent the evening at his house, discussing his vision.

News of Everton’s interest emerged while Potter was with Sullivan and, on Tuesday morning, it was still considered by some with knowledge of the situation that it was 50:50 whether the 49-year-old would stay in London or head north. West Ham, with more time to work, got the deal done.

Back up in Merseyside, Dyche and Everton’s squad reconvened for their FA Cup tie with Peterborough. Training had been put back because of the freezing conditions and there was little sign of a thaw in the atmosphere around the facility.

When he faced the media early in the evening, he spoke with honesty and passion but, again, those present were left with the overriding impression it all felt very ‘end of days’ — how could it not be when Everton were so closely linked to another manager?

‘There’s no facts,’ Dyche countered. ‘Nobody has come out and said, “By the way, we are talking to all these people”. It is only alleged. That’s the way it works. Nothing changes for me. Try to get the team right, win the game and do the right thing which I am doing.

‘Resilience is a strange thing in life and I have plenty of it. So far, I’ve handled it pretty bloody well I think. I’m working really hard with my staff and the players, taking the hits, absorbing them and making sure everyone knows it is on me. End of.’

There are only so many hits a man can take, though. Dyche had entered the same realms as Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce, Marco Silva, Rafa Benitez and Frank Lampard, feeling totally helpless and unable to find solutions. Soon his fate would be decided.

On Wednesday, the situation came to a head. TFG had made clear that the relationship was over. Staff who worked closely with Dyche were told that he would be sacked, with a legal team arriving late in the afternoon to start working on the severance terms.

When Ian Woan and Steve Stone, his trusted allies, left the facility that night, they never came back but Dyche arrived on Thursday to say some goodbyes. The game that night, even though he had selected the team, was not going to be his problem.

So Leighton Baines, the Under 18s coach, was summoned from the academy and Kevin Thelwell, the director of football, went to the Titanic Hotel, where the squad were preparing for Peterborough, to break the news that Dyche had gone and Baines and Seamus Coleman would take charge of the game.

It is understood that there was a noticeable uplift in the atmosphere. It would be wrong to say there were celebrations but, certainly, not many — if any — were going to shed tears. This behaviour has been seen many times before and it is something about which David Moyes will be fully aware.

Moyes will be reacquainted with some familiar faces when he steps into Finch Farm officially once again, 12 years since he left for Manchester United, but so much has changed around the place in terms of the atmosphere, the working environment and the attitude.

Coleman, whom Moyes signed for £60,000 from Sligo Rovers in early 2009, has done his best over the years to instil the standards in new players that the Scot demanded of him as a young man: the need for respect, professionalism and the determination to do your best every day.

Too many have arrived at this club down the years not particularly caring about where they were — one player, in the Ancelotti era, was unaware that his manager had actually been a dual European Cup-winning midfielder — and conversations with Coleman, and others, will be beneficial.

Do not think that Moyes, who spoke to the Friedkin Group on Thursday and again yesterday, will have kidded himself that he will walk in and everything will suddenly be rosy. He knows full well what deficiencies there are in the squad.

Everton, you can guarantee, will get a couple of good results in the next month — that is what this squad tends to do — but it is what happens after the initial bounce that matters. It proved beyond Dyche to keep it going and, eventually, left him beaten.

After 101 weeks, Dyche ended in Everton’s room 101. The Friedkin Group, with their lofty expectations and demand for immediate positive results, will be expecting Moyes to switch back on the lights of a club that, for far too long, has been cloaked in darkness.

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Well Merse and Lee Hendrie on SSN thinks Moyes will take us down. That’s us safe with plenty of games to play then.
Can’t say I’m not a little nervous. If we can bring in a few bodies we might struggle through.

Means we can write off any hope of getting a result from the derby now we're back to welding knives in gunfights.

I'd be happy if this was part of a succession plan. For him to bring in a Carsley figure who's proven to be a good coach whilst Moyes moves upstairs.

But it's nowhere near the quick win, sure thing a lot seem to think.
Sunderland, Sociedad and even United.

I'll never forget the Blackburn, Wolves, Bolton, City end to the 03/04 season.
The period when we had one good calendar year followed by one good calendar year

I sincerely hope the big changes TFG make are for the summer. Still no annoucement of who will be on the board permanently or CEO. Perhaps the likes of Marc Watts and David Moyes are just that, stop gaps and there will be a total revamp once the season is over.

A £10 million pay off for Moyes will be a drop in the ocean once we're safe. Assuming this two and half year deal will come with many clauses agreed by both parties.

A 10 million pay off would be £10million less to spend on players.
Here’s your Board so far

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... g39jge8gmo