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Indiantoffee75 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:56 pm I sincerely hope the big changes TFG make are for the summer. Still no annoucement of who will be on the board permanently or CEO. Perhaps the likes of Marc Watts and David Moyes are just that, stop gaps and there will be a total revamp once the season is over.

A £10 million pay off for Moyes will be a drop in the ocean once we're safe. Assuming this two and half ywar deal with come with many clauses agreed by both parties.

That happens and I’ll be thinking its Moshiri part 2

He isn’t a magic bullet or a certainty. No one is, but he is a better option than Dyche. There is a lot of work for him to do and a lot of issues to solve in a short space of time. All of which will be on a limited budget.

But there are major positives in Moyes favour and things he can/will be likely to do.

Our defence is pretty solid in terms of personell and tactical similarity. We have some decent attacking players, which Dyche was able to do very little with. He just didn’t know how to utilise he options to score goals. It was all about maintaining a defensive structure and to contain the opposition.

I think you will see more out of us on the counter attack again. That’s what Moyes has always been good at coaching and the counter attack as a tactic remains the same as it always has. Beto might play more of a role for us as he has massive enthusiasm, pace and power, which is something Moyes has always liked. However, I would argue that the counter attack is more about moving the ball in the right way and at speed, not necessarily about the speed of the players. The ball can be moved faster than any human can run.

Also think Patterson will come in if Seamus isn’t available. The overlapping runs are also a major function of Moyes attacks, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he saw Ndiaye (switching over to the opposite flank) and Patterson as a potentially fruitful partnership.

Elsewhere, we won’t see things too differently, it’s only the risk profile of the team that needs upping. We cant be a very conservative 1/10 anymore. Moyes needs to get us more to a balanced 5/10 approach, with a lot of attacking work needed on the training ground.

Got to laugh. New manager in. Not even taken a training session yet and people are already talking about how we can sack him in the summer

777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:31 pm Got to laugh. New manager in. Not even taken a training session yet and people are already talking about how we can sack him in the summer

Totally agree. Even God would struggle to get support on this forum.

One person?

TheRam wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:58 am Any right wing culture war cranks with a daily mail subscription able to copy and paste the below?

Cut and paste the web link here: https://12ft.io/proxy

Been a few articles posted but don’t remember seeing this one - apologies if it’s already on here…

From Paddy Boyland, The Athletic

David Moyes returns charged with rebuilding Everton - so what will that look like?

David Moyes probably thought this moment would never come.
The Scot, who left Everton for Manchester United in 2013 after an 11-year tenure, twice came close to returning to Goodison Park under previous owner Farhad Moshiri.

He agreed to come back in 2019, giving the nod during a trip to Germany, only to return home to find Carlo Ancelotti had pipped him to the post. A couple of years later, he opted to remain as West Ham United manager instead of becoming Ancelotti’s successor. The job in east London was, at that stage, a stable one. What had happened prior to Ancelotti’s appointment had eroded faith.

This time, though, everything fell into place.
Moyes was out of work having left his role at West Ham over summer as they sought to move to a more progressive style of play. Everton’s new owners The Friedkin Group (TFG), meanwhile, have moved swiftly to fill the vacuum left by former manager Sean Dyche, who was removed from his post after talks during the week in which he suggested he had taken the team as far as he could.
Taken on face value, there is something paradoxical about a new ownership looking to move a club forward by seeking answers in its past. By draping themselves in a familiar comfort blanket. But here there are parallels with another TFG-owned club in Roma, who have leant on the experience and popularity of former manager Claudio Ranieri after a period of churn and instability.

TFG are banking on Moyes doing the same at Goodison Park. As a free agent, he was more easily attainable. Graham Potter had admirers at Everton but, when the time came to make an offer, only West Ham took the plunge.
TFG has acknowledged Everton are in another relegation scrap — their fourth on the spin — and wanted someone with a track record in the Premier League.
The new ownership felt Moyes was the right man to bring stability to Everton after the club’s own period of turbulence. Since his departure for Old Trafford over a decade ago, only his immediate successor, Roberto Martinez, lasted more than two years in the role. Everton have lurched from pillar to post. From one incompatible style to the next.

In handing Moyes a two-and-a-half year deal, TFG hope he will also lay the future foundations for success. He is viewed as the only manager over the last decade or so who has built anything of note at Everton.
It was not so long ago that the Scot appeared to rule out a move to any side dicing with relegation.“I don’t want to be taking jobs where I have to scrap all the time and be round the bottom of the league,” he told Sky Sports in December.

That was his explanation for why he resisted the overtures of Leicester City and Wolverhampton Wanderers earlier this season, but it was a different story when Everton came calling. “I did not hesitate when I was offered the opportunity to rejoin this great club,” he said in a statement confirming the deal on Saturday morning.

Everton, for all intents and purposes, are still his club. Plenty of water has passed under the bridge, most of it around the time of his departure, but he has kept his family home in Lytham, on the north-west coast, and has fond memories of his time at Goodison.

He has kept abreast of developments from afar.
During a punditry role for Sky in 2018, he offered a withering assessment of what was going wrong at the club.
“There’s a lot of players who have come in who I’m not sure I’d put down as Everton types,” he said. “You’ve got to be hungry and someone who has got a desire and an energy. But you’ve also got that style about you where you can play.

“You’re under pressure here at Goodison where the crowd are demanding, but they also want to see you’re committed.”
West Ham were 17th, a point clear of the relegation places, when he was appointed there for a second time in December 2019. They finished that season five points clear and, the following year, ended sixth.
He returns to Goodison with Everton, too, one point above the cut off.
Over a decade after his departure, Moyes returns with the aim of “rebuilding” the club he left behind. He returns as an OBE (Officer of the British Empire), having been named in the King’s New Year Honours list and European trophy winner. There has also been a stint as a technical observer at UEFA.
Moyes was seen as fiery but fair by most staff and journalists during his first stint at Goodison. He has mellowed slightly since those days, but will bring a familiar playing style with him.

During his time at West Ham, he favoured a 4-2-3-1 setup with emphasis on counter attacking and direct play through the wings. He helped build a team capable of competing regularly for European positions, and won a trophy by claiming the Europa Conference League in 2023, but there were frustrations from fans towards the end of his tenure over the style of play and perceived inability to better utilise the attacking talents of Mohammed Kudus, Lucas Paqueta and Jarrod Bowen.
West Ham finished ninth last season but conceded 74 goals, the fourth-highest total in the league.

Moyes is a pragmatist and tries to adapt to the resources at his disposal. There were times at Goodison where he leant heavily on the creative talents of Mikel Arteta, Leighton Baines and Steven Pienaar. It would be little surprise if he now did the same with Iliman Ndiaye. At West Ham, he would also use a back three with overlapping wing-backs on occasion.
Given the similarities, transitioning the Everton squad from Dyche’s style to Moyes’ should not be as challenging for the players as a move to, say, Potter potentially might have been. But Moyes may well encounter some of the same issues as his predecessor. This time, he cannot immediately call on the full-back quality of someone like Baines, nor the pace and goal threat of Bowen and Kudus.

So recruitment will be vital, both in this window as Everton look to steel themselves for the relegation battle ahead, and over summer.
The dynamics should be fascinating. In his first stint at Goodison, Moyes was heavily involved in recruitment. While he respected and regularly sought the views of chief scout Robbie Cooke and his backroom staff, he famously watched players over 10 times himself to assess their suitability.
In the main, his recruitment operation at Goodison was a huge success. Baines, Phil Jagielka and Joleon Lescott all became mainstays in the team after being after being secured for relatively meagre fees. Arteta and Pienaar were picked up as diamonds in the rough and Seamus Coleman was famously signed from Irish club Sligo Rovers for £60,000. He remains on the playing staff.
Yet Moyes is returning to a very different setup, one which has mainly been led by director of football Kevin Thelwell in recent seasons.
Speaking on The Overlap last year, Moyes said he preferred to take a hands-on approach with recruitment.

“It’s as if ownerships don’t have huge belief in the manager to be the one who should make decisions on the players who come into the building,” he said. “And I think to myself, ‘Why would the owner think that the manager shouldn’t be the one who is doing that?’ Most of the time, the manager will have as much knowledge as anybody, so why are you bringing in someone to do that?”
He had a positive relationship with West Ham’s former head of recruitment Rob Newman, whom he pushed to bring to the club in 2021, but is said to have clashed with director of football Tim Steidten over signings. The tension culminated in Moyes banning the German from the training ground and first-team dressing room at the London Stadium.
While Steidten has remained in situ, West Ham have not been the same since Moyes’ departure. His successor Julen Lopetegui was unable to replicate never mind build on his legacy, and has already been replaced by Potter.
Whatever happens, Moyes and TFG will know urgent additions are needed to help Everton stay up.

Moyes has promised to help rebuild the club he left behind in 2013. He has come full circle, and is now on the verge of leading Everton into their new stadium.
A new dawn awaits — but it may end up looking very familiar.
(Top photo: Robbie Jay Barratt – AMA/Getty Images)

Gash wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:26 am I see the usual reactionary posters getting a downer on things without actually looking at what's happened over the last few days and weeks. This isn't the scenario the owners wanted, they wanted to give Dyche until the end of the the season, get us safe and move to BMD in the PL, it became clear at the beginning of the week that Dyche didn't have the stomach for the fight anymore so the club had to act. This is a compromise appointment that they hope will keep us in the PL, it's imperative that we do, relegation and moving to BMD would be a disaster.

This isn't like Liverpool replacing Klopp where they had months and a stable environment to do so, it needed it done quickly as things had quite clearly turned sour behind the scenes, it's a safe appointment, not a lazy one. It's maybe not the Hollywood signing that some people wanted but it's a far more sensible option than the likes of fucking ten Hag and all the other names that people are throwing around, he's available, knows the club and despite what people may think, is a pretty good manager. It wouldn't be my choice long term and it's perhaps a bit boring but it's easy to see why they've done it and there's plenty of good reasons for it too.

It's typical though, people moaned about Moshiri, so we get rid of one of the worst owners in PL history and the usual posters are out sharpening the knives for the new owners already, people wanted rid of Dyche and they're moaning about his replacement too with out looking at the bigger situation. They've just bailed us out, made us effectively debt free and have huge issues to sort out on and off the field, changing manager wasn't one of them yet here we are with people already saying they've no plan etc. There really is no pleasing some of you.

I think you are analyzing me and other posters wrong.

I am so happy that someone wanted to buy the club ending Moshiris regime and I am over the moon to see the back of Dyches horrible way of playing football. There is a lot to be pleased about. But it should be allowed to be worried too.

During the last 35 years I do think that Everton has been a conservative, romantic club not willing to look forward and try to become the best in the times they are competing in. Signing David Moyes is all about looking backwards.

He is here to stabilize the ship just like Dyche was and Lampard and Benitez was...When is Everton gonna try to do something else than stabilizing?

You are spot on if you want to criticize us for being dreamers. We are the opposite of negative. We dream of success not status quo. I just hope our new owners do the same. If they do - they need to implement a new culture, a (new) strategy and get the club up to date.

TrevorSteven wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:42 pm I think you are analyzing me and other posters wrong.

I am so happy that someone wanted to buy the club ending Moshiris regime and I am over the moon to see the back of Dyches horrible way of playing football. There is a lot to be pleased about. But it should be allowed to be worried too.

During the last 35 years I do think that Everton has been a conservative, romantic club not willing to look forward and try to become the best in the times they are competing in. Signing David Moyes is all about looking backwards.

He is here to stabilize the ship just like Dyche was and Lampard and Benitez was...When is Everton gonna try to do something else than stabilizing?

You are spot on if you want to criticize us for being dreamers. We are the opposite of negative. We dream of success not status quo. I just hope our new owners do the same. If they do - they need to implement a new culture, a (new) strategy and get the club up to date.

I think the point is all the managers you name were brought in to stabilise the club, none of them have actually managed it. All we’ve managed is to survive by the skin of our teeth.

If Moyes can do that over the length of his contract, get us to somewhere near where we were when he left - then maybe we can look to progress.

He’s got a heck of a job on his hands to firstly keep us up this season, then hopefully start looking upwards.

TrevorSteven wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:42 pm I think you are analyzing me and other posters wrong.

I am so happy that someone wanted to buy the club ending Moshiris regime and I am over the moon to see the back of Dyches horrible way of playing football. There is a lot to be pleased about. But it should be allowed to be worried too.

During the last 35 years I do think that Everton has been a conservative, romantic club not willing to look forward and try to become the best in the times they are competing in. Signing David Moyes is all about looking backwards.

He is here to stabilize the ship just like Dyche was and Lampard and Benitez was...When is Everton gonna try to do something else than stabilizing?

You are spot on if you want to criticize us for being dreamers. We are the opposite of negative. We dream of success not status quo. I just hope our new owners do the same. If they do - they need to implement a new culture, a (new) strategy and get the club up to date.

Is signing Moyes looking backwards? Surely that’s all about how you choose to frame it, in my view he will give us a platform to build on, therefore it’s a forward move.

You say when will we do anything other than try to stabilise, but just cos we haven’t managed it doesn’t mean we should be something different, let’s just get it right.

Lampard was never about stabilisation was he? He was exactly the type of person you are advocating for (albeit not the right one).
Benitez was just a fucking brain fart, lord knows what Moshiri was thinking there

I'll give things a chance before I bitch and moan. So long as Young, Gana, Keane, Doucoure, and Coleman (as a player, I'd love him on staff) don't get extended, then maybe we have a chance to move forward.

Fuck's sake, just play Patterson and O'Brien some. I get that many positions might just be "deck chairs on the Titanic."

Bob Sacamano wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:37 pm I miss Baines and I miss Jags.

And I miss Yakubu

But most of all I miss super Kev !

TrevorSteven wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:42 pm I think you are analyzing me and other posters wrong.

I am so happy that someone wanted to buy the club ending Moshiris regime and I am over the moon to see the back of Dyches horrible way of playing football. There is a lot to be pleased about. But it should be allowed to be worried too.

During the last 35 years I do think that Everton has been a conservative, romantic club not willing to look forward and try to become the best in the times they are competing in. Signing David Moyes is all about looking backwards.

He is here to stabilize the ship just like Dyche was and Lampard and Benitez was...When is Everton gonna try to do something else than stabilizing?

You are spot on if you want to criticize us for being dreamers. We are the opposite of negative. We dream of success not status quo. I just hope our new owners do the same. If they do - they need to implement a new culture, a (new) strategy and get the club up to date.

Fair enough, I think I've analysed you spot on to be honest, your post proves that. And we all know that the 'told you so' posters will be ready in the wings if this all goes tits up.

I don't think you're being romantic or a dreamer either, I think it's daft to want some gung ho appointment or a manager with no experience in this league or fighting relegation which could easily go wrong to be appointed at this stage. Moyes isn't a backward looking appointment but it's an appointment that's been forced on the owners that they didn't want to make at this stage in their tenure and if we'd got to the summer safe with Dyche in charge I doubt Moyes would even be a consideration, that doesn't make the wrong appoitment just now though.

None of the other 'stabilising' appointments you mentioned worked and all very nearly took us down at some stage and we're in that same position again and I certainly wouldn't call Benirez a stabilising appointment, he was exactly the opposite in fact, both with the fans and what he did on the pitch. Moyes hopefully keeps us up and brings stability for the owners to then build on but if he takes us down it's not on his shoulders. The foundations for that were laid by Moshiri and his vanity appointments poor signings and throwing money around like confetti, he was romantic too and made an absolute arse of it.

Stabilising the club is exactly what's needed at the moment and it's very short sighted not to see that and to moan about it.

TrevorSteven wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 11:37 pm Signing David Moyes is a worrying signal from our new owners.

Do they not have any visions for the future? It's easy to understand that this appointment is all about an history and a past. A history that the Friedkin group has not been a part of. So who is actually pulling the strings here? I do not understand it. Marcel Brands talked about some kind of the same problem under Moshiri. David Moyes for sure can't be the Friedkins ideas and I can't understand it being Thelwells either.

There are no football strategy at this club and I can't comprehend why our new owners accept to go down that road. It's hard to admit that but look at Liverpool who managed to replace Klopp with Arne Slot that most of football fans didn't even know who was. But if you look at his stats and data, if you break down his philosophy you will see that he is good. They managed to do that. Bournemouth has managed to do that. Brightons done that quite some times - while at Everton we are just stucked in our past randomly choosing a name that sounds well in the history books of our club.

We have to get professional soon

It really isn't a worrying signal from our new owners at all, given our current position.

The shite pulled Arne Slot out of their arse to replace Jurgen Klopp. Yes that's true, but there is a whole world of difference between replacing Klopp at Liverpool and replacing Dyche at Everton. Whether you like it or not, Liverpool are a top 4 club in the PL, challenging for the title evey year and have Champions League football. They also have a very, very good squad and commercial revenue that is currently out of Everton's league. They were able to take their time and plan for the future, given that Klopp told them months and months in advance of his intention to eventually step down. We are 1 point off the bottom 3, still massively hamstrung by PSR, have no European football, very little in the way of commercial revenue and our manager then decides that he has taken the club as far as he can. This meant that rather than spending months and months scouting out a suitable replacement, who could start the job of rebuilding in the summer, we have been forced to act quickly and get someone in who was available immediately. We don't have the luxury of being able to afford a new manager time to settle in and find his feet. We have to get someone now who can hit the ground running. Moyes is as good an option for this as anyone, simply because he is vastly experienced, knows the club inside out and is available right away.

It's all well and good.making a Hollywood appointment, but what if that manager comes in and takes 2/3 months to sort it out and start to pick up points. In the position that we're currently in, that could mean that we are sat in the bottom 3 cat adrift, should a couple of the teams below us start picking up a few results. Wolves look.like they are starting to get their act together. Ipswich look like they could pick up a couple of results and Leicester could quite feasibly string a few results together, so we have to keep up the pace with them. We are moving into our new home at the end of the season and simply cannot afford to be in the Championship. We NEED to remain a PL club.