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Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:59 pm
by Bluebridge
He needs a run of games in the reserves to get some sort of confidence up, he looks an absolute million miles off it atm. Reserve games in week, bench at the weekend, if he has any kind of fire in his belly he’ll be chomping at the bit, if he’s not then we loan him out in January or next summer.
What I will say is, he looks nothing like a footballer right now.
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:23 pm
by MayorFarnham
No way we're loaning out someone we've paid 30mill for.
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:30 pm
by Bluebridge
MayorFarnham wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:23 pm
No way we're loaning out someone we've paid 30mill for.
What’s the alternative, lose 15 million?
I’ll be very surprised if he has a meaningful career with us or any premier league team, he looks like so many that we’ve signed before. I know it’s early days, and I really hope I’m wrong. I just don’t see it happening.
And we did with Kean.
And Tosun.
Ffs we’ve signed some shite.
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:32 pm
by Bluebridge
And Walcott, Bolasie, Maupay, fuck, the list goes on and on.
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:41 pm
by Cereal Killer
It’s ok, we’re after Zirkzee in January…
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 4:09 pm
by MayorFarnham
Bluebridge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:30 pm
What’s the alternative, lose 15 million?
I’ll be very surprised if he has a meaningful career with us or any premier league team, he looks like so many that we’ve signed before. I know it’s early days, and I really hope I’m wrong. I just don’t see it happening.
And we did with Kean.
And Tosun.
Ffs we’ve signed some shite.
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Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 4:10 pm
by MayorFarnham
Bluebridge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:30 pm
What’s the alternative, lose 15 million?
I’ll be very surprised if he has a meaningful career with us or any premier league team, he looks like so many that we’ve signed before. I know it’s early days, and I really hope I’m wrong. I just don’t see it happening.
And we did with Kean.
And Tosun.
Ffs we’ve signed some shite.
No one with the resources to cover even half his wages is going to take him off us. We're losing 15 million whatever way you look at it.
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 4:13 pm
by Toddacelli
When I say give him more time I don’t mean more time of the same supply because that is clearly going to change fuck all.
Remember when we switched how we played with Beto last season and started putting the ball in between him and the goal and letting him run at it?
That’s what we need to do with Barry - figure out the best way to play with him in order to give him chances, and then let him start to figure it out and adjust.
Constantly getting the ball pinged at him by Pickford on the halfway line with no-one else within 20 yards of him is NOT service.
Someone needs to go back to the recruitment videos, figure out in what environment he thrives and then try to replicate it. The good news is that with players like Grealish, Ndiaye and Dibling around him, they should be more than creating that environment.
I’ve said it before, but to my untrained eye he looks to be on the move starting a run much, much earlier than we ever try to play him in. Someone picks up the ball in midfield and he’s already on the turn with space him front of him, ready to go. Fifteen passes later it eventually comes to him in a static position, with back to goal and some grock in his shorts and ten men behind the ball.
We’re not playing the right football for him to be able to develop yet. Until we do we’ll see more of the same and convince ourselves he’s shit.
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 4:39 pm
by Bumble
StirlingBlue wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 12:22 pm
I'll repost my comment from the Moyes thread as I think it's relevent to the discussion on Barry:
If you watch back the game yesterday it wasn't that Mateta was magically holding the ball up, it's that he wasn't under as much pressure from our CBs as they couldn't follow him as we were wary of the threat in behind of Pinot/Sarr/Munoz/Mitchell. Often Matata was receiving the ball with nobody within 5 yards.
Compare that to Barry/Beto trying to take in the ball with a defender or two touch tight on them and it's a way harder job. None of our wide options run beyond so opposition defences can just squeeze squeeze squeeze.
I guess my point is that even though Barry/Beto obviously have issues, if you drop Mateta into our lineup yesterday I don't think we look very different.
Not sure I agree with that. Mateta in our line up 100% elevates us up a notch.
Re: Thierno Barry
Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2025 4:57 pm
by AjaxAndy
brap2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:29 pm
You're taking extremes to prove your point tbh, but yep fine play some fella we're going to sell at a loss in 6 months time anyway for the sake of a few more points, start again in yhe summer.
Maybe we'll be able to afford and attract that ready now but also sub 26 year old star striker everyone on the planet wants.
Not taking the extremes at all, it's just a fact just playing young players low on confidence and struggling to adapt doesn't in the majority of cases mean they start to improve. Young players need to be nurtured and brought in at the right moments.
You can't just go 'fuck it' and throw him in for 20 games in the hope it suddenly clicks, that's not responsible, it's not fair on the player and could easily damage his long term development.
The reality is Barry is a million miles off being a premier league player at the moment, he looks completely lost and needs to be coached off the field and be given minutes when it's appropriate for his development.
It's not his fault Beto is crap and has been awful so far this season when starting, and that's not a reason to just throw Barry to the wolves by throwing the burden of being out main focal point when he's nowhere near ready.