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Paddockoldie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:51 pm His goal against Palace won us the game as did his goal against Liverpool which sealed our safety. It's a gamble selling him if Beto and Chermiti are all you have upfront.

Not saying its not a risk but he didn't save us from relegation twice. In recent years he's been more part of the problem than the positive outcome we ended with

Really hoping that with another season and more playing time that Beto can rise to the occasion. :fingerscrossed:

Bornblue88 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:28 pm I’m not really bothered that the club may have delayed contract talks due to his injury record. He owes it to the fans imo. He wasn’t very good to begin with, then he had a terrible bought of injuries all while the fans have given him lots of time and patience. I suppose with the next player this happens to I should give him abuse on Twitter and at the ground when they don’t score 20 goals every season, given that there’s no loyalty in football now

Au carumba! It’s not often every single sentence in a post is this crazy.
Not bothered if the club delays things? So the club is untouchable and non-snakey?
He owes the fans? What? How? He’s been here a long time and given his all. And there’s a fair section of fans that have given him dog’s abuse so I would say he owes them fuck all.
He wasn’t very good to begin with? You mean as a young player, playing out of position on the wing, adjusting to the Premier League after eleven games for Sheffield Utd in the Championship he wasn’t very good to begin with? Fuck me!
The fans gave him time and patience while he had injuries did they? Well some might have but that’s the absolute minimum I would expect from any half decent human being. A young lad gets injured and has to spend time going through painful rehabs by himself, all the while worrying about if he’ll be able to continue his dream job or if he’ll end up on the scrap heap - if it was any other job we’d all give him time and patience.
The next player you should give abuse to on Twitter? Fuck no! You shouldn’t be giving abuse to any player or anyone on Twitter! What the fuck would that achieve and why would you want to?
No loyalty in football? Well I think you’ve proved your own point there mate.

Can only assume you’re upset and venting and I shouldn’t have taken this so literally. Hope you’re feeling better soon mate.

Bornblue88 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:28 pm I’m not really bothered that the club may have delayed contract talks due to his injury record. He owes it to the fans imo. He wasn’t very good to begin with, then he had a terrible bought of injuries all while the fans have given him lots of time and patience. I suppose with the next player this happens to I should give him abuse on Twitter and at the ground when they don’t score 20 goals every season, given that there’s no loyalty in football now

Crazy!

Not completely against him leaving if the price is right, but the question then becomes who replaces him. Is Minteh to be the main man up top, a Chermiti/Beto combo, or someone else?

When fit and firing, DCL has been excellent for us, but he hasn't been able to stay fit enough for long enough without an injury coming along. He got back there at the end of last season, and wherever he ends up, I hope that he continues that form. There is definitely a proper player in there if he can stay injury free. He seems like a genuinely nice person who has been working really hard to get rid of these back/hamstring issues that he has had, and it must have taken it's toll on him mentally. Perhaps a fresh start might reinvigorate his career.

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:49 am Au carumba! It’s not often every single sentence in a post is this crazy.
Not bothered if the club delays things? So the club is untouchable and non-snakey?
He owes the fans? What? How? He’s been here a long time and given his all. And there’s a fair section of fans that have given him dog’s abuse so I would say he owes them fuck all.
He wasn’t very good to begin with? You mean as a young player, playing out of position on the wing, adjusting to the Premier League after eleven games for Sheffield Utd in the Championship he wasn’t very good to begin with? Fuck me!
The fans gave him time and patience while he had injuries did they? Well some might have but that’s the absolute minimum I would expect from any half decent human being. A young lad gets injured and has to spend time going through painful rehabs by himself, all the while worrying about if he’ll be able to continue his dream job or if he’ll end up on the scrap heap - if it was any other job we’d all give him time and patience.
The next player you should give abuse to on Twitter? Fuck no! You shouldn’t be giving abuse to any player or anyone on Twitter! What the fuck would that achieve and why would you want to?
No loyalty in football? Well I think you’ve proved your own point there mate.

Can only assume you’re upset and venting and I shouldn’t have taken this so literally. Hope you’re feeling better soon mate.

So if he ran out his contract and left for a free next year you’d be happy with it? You’d clap him when he comes back and scores against us? Or do you just sit there with a blank face not moving when you watch Everton. Do you always clap, cheer, and give them positive encouragement or do you groan and moan when they make mistakes?

My point is if he leaves for a low fee and I think he owes the fans who’ve been supportive of him all this time not to do that. Some people are really struggling with hypothetical situations here. I have a Twitter account but have literally never made a post. I don’t get why football players do tbh because it’s a cesspool by all accounts

I love Dominic to bits and when he is fit and 100% he is a real asset to us. When he comes back from injury we play different, and we have threat for once.

But he isn’t that player for much of the season as he is injured for a good deal of it usually, and with only a year left on his contract I would say if we can get good money for him then good luck to him, let’s deal.

Think he would thrive at Newcastle, just like Gordon has.

Ofc that would leave us without a single decent striker, so we are taking a massive risk for settling some financial issues.

If we are going into the new season with Beto and Maupay as our strike force then we are fucked before a ball has been kicked.

NomadskiEFC wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:42 am I love Dominic to bits and when he is fit and 100% he is a real asset to us. When he comes back from injury we play different, and we have threat for once.

But he isn’t that player for much of the season as he is injured for a good deal of it usually, and with only a year left on his contract I would say if we can get good money for him then good luck to him, let’s deal.

Think he would thrive at Newcastle, just like Gordon has.

Ofc that would leave us without a single decent striker, so we are taking a massive risk for settling some financial issues.

If we are going into the new season with Beto and Maupay as our strike force then we are fucked before a ball has been kicked.

There is more to bring a centre forward than scoring goals, but when you're relatively low scoring team it is slightly more important. I'm glad to see the links to other attacking players, as we need goals from across the pitch.
That said, in terms of goals, it isn't a big drop off from DCL to Beto. DCL averaged a goal every 313 minutes, compared to Beto at 320, and when you factor in that it was his first year in the league, and if DCL is the minimum we'd expect, he isn't that far off, but the reality is it shouldn't be overly hard to replace his goals.
I don't really see the comparison with Gordon at all. Gordon is young, massively on the up, no injury concerns and had no real direct rivals going into that team. DCL is injury prone, and potentially going into a team where he's behind Isak and Wilson in all honesty, and given the amount of time it takes him to get up to speed, I don't really see him as a great sub option either.

They're buying DCL to upgrade on Wilson. They're looking to sell him.

People always say ''where will he get into the team?'' or words to that effect, but there's so many games with all the cups and plenty of weeks where there are 3 games in 7 days, and there's more than enough opportunities. You need depth, especially if you're looking to push near the top of the league and stay in cups. Newcastle have been damaged by injuries, and they are looking to bulk out their squad with more options.

Also, Isak or DCL is a great option to bring on after 60/70 mins against tired defences. There will be plenty of games for DCL, and he will probably really benefit by not being the only option having to carry a team every week.

Raptor wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 12:14 pm There is more to bring a centre forward than scoring goals, but when you're relatively low scoring team it is slightly more important. I'm glad to see the links to other attacking players, as we need goals from across the pitch.
That said, in terms of goals, it isn't a big drop off from DCL to Beto. DCL averaged a goal every 313 minutes, compared to Beto at 320, and when you factor in that it was his first year in the league, and if DCL is the minimum we'd expect, he isn't that far off, but the reality is it shouldn't be overly hard to replace his goals.
I don't really see the comparison with Gordon at all. Gordon is young, massively on the up, no injury concerns and had no real direct rivals going into that team. DCL is injury prone, and potentially going into a team where he's behind Isak and Wilson in all honesty, and given the amount of time it takes him to get up to speed, I don't really see him as a great sub option either.

I think what you will see (injury permitting) with DCL at Newcastle would be Isak or Wilson running off DCL. They will be able to play Dominic in ways Everton never have been able to because we’ve never had a competent partner for Dominic while Dominic has been here. Newcastle have that.

Gordon has thrived with an increase in his end product, which was always poor at Everton, but has developed into a more consistent and productive player. I’m just saying I think we’d see the same with Dominic. I’m not comparing them directly as players, just the end result. Dominic has qualities that Newcastle will do a better job of exploiting than we have with our ultra limited attacking style.

Beto is not a viable option for a club that wants to stay in the Premier League. He hasn’t got the brain, the footwork, the balance or any other attribute a half decent striker needs to be an effective front man.

I very much hope we get a more viable option with the money.

Move to Newcastle is off according to the media.
Now Dom, could you please sign on the dotted line at the bottom of the page.

Sounds like we were asking for too much money?

Hopefully this won’t have a knock on effect to other players leaving or us starting out with our current attacking options.

Bornblue88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:42 am So if he ran out his contract and left for a free next year you’d be happy with it? You’d clap him when he comes back and scores against us? Or do you just sit there with a blank face not moving when you watch Everton. Do you always clap, cheer, and give them positive encouragement or do you groan and moan when they make mistakes?

My point is if he leaves for a low fee and I think he owes the fans who’ve been supportive of him all this time not to do that. Some people are really struggling with hypothetical situations here. I have a Twitter account but have literally never made a post. I don’t get why football players do tbh because it’s a cesspool by all accounts

Nope. If he ran his contract out then left for free I would be disappointed. But I wouldn’t think he owes us anything more than what he signed up to. That’s why contracts end. To give both parties a chance to evaluate if they want to stay together or if one or more wants to move on.

You literally can’t ask more from a player than seeing their contract out. They have done exactly what they promised they would. What more could they possibly owe than that?

Toddacelli wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:02 pm Nope. If he ran his contract out then left for free I would be disappointed. But I wouldn’t think he owes us anything more than what he signed up to. That’s why contracts end. To give both parties a chance to evaluate if they want to stay together or if one or more wants to move on.

You literally can’t ask more from a player than seeing their contract out. They have done exactly what they promised they would. What more could they possibly owe than that?

If you look at it from a purely business perspective then yeah but a football club is different. I’m not sure how you can’t see that.

Hypothetical: We agree a deal for £37m with Newcastle but he refuses to go because his agent agrees a better deal for him if he waits for his contract to end. In this scenario there’s no new owner and we need the money or go into administration. We get the 9 point deduction and have to sell anyone we can get money for. We then get relegated. Is he a snake?

Bornblue88 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2024 10:36 pm If you look at it from a purely business perspective then yeah but a football club is different. I’m not sure how you can’t see that.

Hypothetical: We agree a deal for £37m with Newcastle but he refuses to go because his agent agrees a better deal for him if he waits for his contract to end. In this scenario there’s no new owner and we need the money or go into administration. We get the 9 point deduction and have to sell anyone we can get money for. We then get relegated. Is he a snake?