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He needs to change it. Our lack of goals means we need 2 up front, as we can’t create through midfield. but we can’t play 2 in midfield as we get overran. Have to go 352 I’d say:

Godfrey Tarks Branthwaite

Garner McNeil

Gana

Onana Doucoure

Dobbin* Beto

*suspect Dobbin wouldn’t get picked, but would like his pace in and around the chaos of Beto

Silas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 7:52 pm He's hardly alone on that

true but I feel like with him its even less than most

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 9:01 pm West Ham are 7th, and we looked every bit the same level if not better than them today... Yet we lost 3-1. Literally finishing was the only thing that made them come out on top.

Zouma scores from a corner - we can't get it over the line from ours.

Coufal scores a worldy - Beto from the same spot and with a far easier chance hits it at the keeper.

That's the difference and it's costing us soooo many fucking points. If there's a way to keep the ball out of the opponent's net you can guarantee we'll find that way instead of putting in in the onion bag.

That's right. For whatever reason (not Dyche, but the players) and a large slice of continuous bad luck is sitting over us.

Lack of confidence, negativity, and other factors playing a part.

From the outside, when things are going well for them, it often looks like the players, after creating a good chance, seem to assume that another good chance will come along without taking responsibility for what they've spurned, and upping their efforts.

I think back to Onana in his debut, mucking up and then doing everything he could possibly do to correct it. Too many of ours lower their heads. We're not in ascendancy until the scoreboard, and the table, shows it.

Either way it's going to be great in May, when the second half of the season finally "evens out" the first half, eh.

It’s on Dyche imo

People keep saying that it’s the players that aren’t taking chances, but why can none of our players shoot? Why are they all so poor in front of goal??

I don’t think we do enough creative training etc it’s just so so poor

Dyche on xG/us not scoring:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68459390

As the site says “Goals are great, but what’s even better than actual goals? Expected goals” read it and weep, literally

https://www.football365.com/news/featur ... ls-2023-24

Beto was doing so much good work yesterday, they must have loved it when he was gone, he missed chances and a pen yes but he was a pain in the arse all game and grafted his balls off and he got into positions to shoot, something we have not had, Dyche leaves it alone when it's not working and changes it when we're doing ok, terrible performance from him yesterday again.

eyesalwaysblue wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:50 am Beto was doing so much good work yesterday, they must have loved it when he was gone, he missed chances and a pen yes but he was a pain in the arse all game and grafted his balls off and he got into positions to shoot, something we have not had, Dyche leaves it alone when it's not working and changes it when we're doing ok, terrible performance from him yesterday again.

Sounding like a Dyche apologist here which I’m not, I didn’t want him either but now he’s here..

If Beto had stayed on and the result had been the same, what would have happened? Dyche would have been hammered for not taking tired Beto off & replacing him with fresh legs DCL. Quite a few posters mentioned doing exactly that before the game kicked off.

Kind of a no win situation really isn’t it.

NickNack wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:54 am Sounding like a Dyche apologist here which I’m not, I didn’t want him either but now he’s here..

If Beto had stayed on and the result had been the same, what would have happened? Dyche would have been hammered for not taking tired Beto off & replacing him with fresh legs DCL. Quite a few posters mentioned doing exactly that before the game kicked off.

Kind of a no win situation really isn’t it.

Yeah we didn't lose because we took Beto off... and if Beto had actually taken either the fantastic chance he had, or the penalty we probably wouldn't have lost.

Think people are going a bit overboard on the Beto train, it was a very sensible and obvious substitution... They won because Coufal scored a once in a career goal and because we missed numerous chances, not because he subbed on DCL.

Cereal Killer wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:54 am Dyche on xG/us not scoring:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68459390

As the site says “Goals are great, but what’s even better than actual goals? Expected goals” read it and weep, literally

https://www.football365.com/news/featur ... ls-2023-24

Can't really argue with anything he's said there... We scored one goal and that was an absolute fluke that could have gone anywhere off his shoulder.

So that's 3 for Beto he should score, gets one through pure luck not finishing ability.

McNeil missed a great opportunity.

We have one that gets cleared off the line from a corner.

Their keeper makes numerous saves, although whilst we kept him busy I'd say only really the chances above and a deflected Beto shot were actually troubling him in any major way.

We created more than enough to win, more than enough to score more than one goal... but we didn't through bad luck and bad composure, and the one goal we did get on another day goes wide, hits the keeper, goes out for a throw in... So even that one was horrible technique.

Can't rely on a single player in this team to score goals, it's very very worrying.

Not scoring, is becoming a monkey.

Sick of seeing the XG stats all the time tbh.

This is happening far too often for it not to be an issue with the coaching and set up now.

I’ve fully backed dyche but I think the way he sets us up and his lack of in game management means you’re always on a knife edge in games and liable to lose whenever you concede .

Good teams can miss chances and it not be an issue.

It’s an issue for us every game as we can’t control games with the football so when we miss a chance the balls is coming straight back at us and it seems far too easy for teams to get crosses and shots off.

The improvements I would like to see are quite simple. Passing accuracy, shooting practice and finishing. Being the fittest, high pressing relegated team means fuck all. I'm sick of seeing 'lesser teams' than us nailing the basics mentioned above

NickNack wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:54 am Sounding like a Dyche apologist here which I’m not, I didn’t want him either but now he’s here..

If Beto had stayed on and the result had been the same, what would have happened? Dyche would have been hammered for not taking tired Beto off & replacing him with fresh legs DCL. Quite a few posters mentioned doing exactly that before the game kicked off.

Kind of a no win situation really isn’t it.

I understand where your'e coming from completely, although he was still grafting when he came off and the alternative was dire and had the foreseeable consequences, it freed West Ham up totally to turn it around, my beef with Dyche is that he never seems to learn from things going right or wrong, he has some kind of block.

As I've said before, his results haven't been acceptable for the last few months, and while we all accept the difficult context he's working in, 3 wins at Goodison all season just isn't going to fly. He's fortunate in a way that there's a power vacuum above him, and that we have so many other issues which divert away from the failures on the pitch.

If we do survive this season, and we have new owners, then he's going to have the improve the results and the play with the ball pretty sharpish or he'll be on his way early next season.

Personally, I would get rid in the summer whatever happens. But I accept there might not be an appetite for that, so I won't hold my breath expecting it.

eyesalwaysblue wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:48 am I understand where your'e coming from completely, although he was still grafting when he came off and the alternative was dire and had the foreseeable consequences, it freed West Ham up totally to turn it around, my beef with Dyche is that he never seems to learn from things going right or wrong, he has some kind of block.

I’d say the principle of fresh legs up front later in a game is sound. The manager (any manager) can’t foresee the player coming on - who on his day is more than capable - was going to be totally ineffective.