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Dyche has stood up and admitted his responsibility as manager for sorting out the goalscoring problem

Good on you, Sean, and best of luck

Non stop shooting practice in training, one would think

Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 9:50 am As I've said before, his results haven't been acceptable for the last few months, and while we all accept the difficult context he's working in, 3 wins at Goodison all season just isn't going to fly. He's fortunate in a way that there's a power vacuum above him, and that we have so many other issues which divert away from the failures on the pitch.

If we do survive this season, and we have new owners, then he's going to have the improve the results and the play with the ball pretty sharpish or he'll be on his way early next season.

Personally, I would get rid in the summer whatever happens. But I accept there might not be an appetite for that, so I won't hold my breath expecting it.

IF we survive (still not convinced) - I think I’d be happy with giving him a go to begin a season with no threat of points deductions and all the other crap he’s had to deal with. .

Of course results and style of play should come into it then but so far he’s been fighting fires - none of which were down to him - from day 1.

NickNack wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:02 am IF we survive (still not convinced) - I think I’d be happy with giving him a go to begin a season with no threat of points deductions and all the other crap he’s had to deal with. .

Of course results and style of play should come into it then but so far he’s been fighting fires - none of which were down to him - from day 1.

Do you think he'll be able to beat teams at home at Goodison consistently? Because if he doesn't master that, he won't last whatever you or I think.

Yesterday was actually not too bad a display, but think about the Palace game and some of the other home performances and how passive and awful we've looked. He's getting a pass at the moment cos we don't have anyone to put pressure on him or sack him.

Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:04 am Do you think he'll be able to beat teams at home at Goodison consistently? Because if he doesn't master that, he won't last whatever you or I think.

Yesterday was actually not too bad a display, but think about the Palace game and some of the other home performances and how passive and awful we've looked. He's getting a pass at the moment cos we don't have anyone to put pressure on him or sack him.

As you say - results & performances will have to improve, no question. He is getting a pass at the moment, for me that extends to the points deduction & being chucked into the bottom 3 through no fault of his.

I just feel he deserves a chance without any of that stuff to deal with as I do feel it’s made a difference and not in a good way.

NickNack wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:54 pm As you say - results & performances will have to improve, no question. He is getting a pass at the moment, for me that extends to the points deduction & being chucked into the bottom 3 through no fault of his.

I just feel he deserves a chance without any of that stuff to deal with as I do feel it’s made a difference and not in a good way.

It's fair to say that he probably does deserve a chance at just a normal season, with no deductions and other madness going on, but deep down, do you suspect it'll just look very much like this season on the pitch? Difficult to beat, not many goals, not much football, some decent away wins, struggles at Goodison, losses to teams we should beat.

Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:09 pm It's fair to say that he probably does deserve a chance at just a normal season, with no deductions and other madness going on, but deep down, do you suspect it'll just look very much like this season on the pitch? Difficult to beat, not many goals, not much football, some decent away wins, struggles at Goodison, losses to teams we should beat.

Just need to give him the chance to succeed under the conditions to do so.

We were decent yesterday, looked and played every bit like a mid table / lower top half team. However when you're fighting for your lives people are less composed, rush things and feel the pressure which affects decision making.

We also have such a small squad that players get fatigued and injured meaning it's hard to execute a game plan because key players are either out or ran in to the ground.

I'd take playing like we have in some games this season and bumping around 9th - 12th, and I think if you add in just a few half decent players we'd be comfortably around there.

There'll always be stale patches which will divide the fan base though. He's going to have the same issues here that Moyes has at West Ham in that regard. Until we're a completely different club from top to bottom though I don't see any benefit to moving him on. We desperately need a period of stability, so as long as he's delivering that I'll accept any issues with playing style.

I look forward to moving past him but we're not near that yet unfortunately because the club is literally on the precipice.

Results wise, he's done enough, he's done well. But 10 without a win puts any manager in this league under pressure and rightly so.

He's the boss, it's on him to figure out. There just will not be any changes any time soon and hopefully that works in our favour in the end.

If that means being more front foot, fine, if that means doubling down and winning 1-0 away at united with an own goal from a goal kick, fine, but he's the man to find solutions now.

I don't take any solace from the xg or the chances we're missing, and I don't think it's luck and I don't think it's technique I think it's a side under pressure that create poorly, that are not used to or drilled in, playing each other into good positions, snatch at chances in the box, and are also finishing dreadfully.

Shouldn't get a pass, should be under pressure, but reality dictates he could not win another game this season as long as he gets the draws to keep us up and he will have hit his brief.

Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:09 pm It's fair to say that he probably does deserve a chance at just a normal season, with no deductions and other madness going on, but deep down, do you suspect it'll just look very much like this season on the pitch? Difficult to beat, not many goals, not much football, some decent away wins, struggles at Goodison, losses to teams we should beat.

I really don’t know tbh. It’s certainly not going to happen overnight & I’m not sure he’d be given time (or resources) to sort it out. We’ve a poor squad & that’s not changing anytime soon. Overall he’s done quite well with what he’s had but if he’s not going to be given the time then we may as well move on to the next disastrous managerial appointment.

If he got us stable & mid to upper mid table next season - AND playing some half decent footy I’d be happy.

Don't think we could afford to sack him if we wanted to.

He deserves a chance if we stay up, 100%. We were down with Lampard and he did it with Demari Gray up front.

This season he hasn’t had options out wide, a points deduction and some abysmal luck in front of goal.

I’m not his biggest fan at all, some of the football has been agricultural at best but he could also evolve as a manager if given time and less noise around him.

He's got us 30 points after 27 games.

As long as this run of terrible form is just that and we click again at some point this season then he gets another shot for me.

Can't be bothered digging it out, but I did say back in December when we were all buzzing that we needed to remember that when things turned to shit for a while. We still have a terrible squad so we're always going to go through multiple Ricky patches in a season.

Don't think he will ever evolve but you can't knock the defensive metrics.

Definitely should keep our faith during rough patches due to the actual points we've earned this year, but also worth noting this rough patch is the longest winless streak in the clubs history.

Cannot afford to sack him nor should we, even in the summer as long as we stay up he's hit his brief. When the club is ready to kick on (??) hopefully we don't have too many farmhands and lumberjacks in the side that it's hard to move on from.

Every team outside the super league 6 / 7 will have a big run of shit form, we've seen it with West Ham, Brentford, Palace, Luton, Newcastle... It's just par for the course of being a team that can only win if everyone is available and everything goes your way.

We've had Onana and Doucoure out, and I thought you could see the difference they both brought to the team against West Ham... Onana second half at least as thought he was poor first half.

Get everyone fit, get the luck we seem to be missing and we should pick up what some wins.

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:11 am Every team outside the super league 6 / 7 will have a big run of shit form, we've seen it with West Ham, Brentford, Palace, Luton, Newcastle... It's just par for the course of being a team that can only win if everyone is available and everything goes your way.

We've had Onana and Doucoure out, and I thought you could see the difference they both brought to the team against West Ham... Onana second half at least as thought he was poor first half.

Get everyone fit, get the luck we seem to be missing and we should pick up what some wins.

They're not going to have the longest run of shit form in their history though are they being honest.

He HAS to take responsibility for that, he's the manager, what he's doing hasn't worked, he has to sort it out. 90% of club's our size fire a manager for that form. He's not been fired because he's been given the benefit of the doubt over the current state of the club, squad and finances.

brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:16 am They're not going to have the longest run of shit form in their history though are they being honest.

He HAS to take responsibility for that, he's the manager, what he's doing hasn't worked, he has to sort it out. 90% of club's our size fire a manager for that form. He's not been fired because he's been given the benefit of the doubt over the current state of the club, squad and finances.

I would say if you take Doucoure, Onana and Coleman out of this team, and lose the only vaguely decent sub you have in Danjuma through injury it's an incredibly tall ask to not have a run of shit form.

Obviously he does have to find an answer, and I'd imagine with key players back we'll have a far higher chance of winning matches than without.

The injury issues are compounded though by other players then playing too much and being fatigued so their own levels drop, we don't win matches which leads to a drop in confidence, and then the pressure builds and we snatch at chances because of the enormity of the situation.

with regards the 90% of clubs, yes sure but all of that 90% don't face the issues we have this season.

The form is a big problem, the inability to finish is a big problem... Let's see what happens after the 3 week break as I expect us to look a lot better after it.