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TheRam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 4:34 pm He did.

Is that violent conduct though?

What’s was violent about it?

Joao Neves pulled Marc Cucurella's hair and got sent off, Cucurella made the most of it, too. Keane holds on to his hair to pull him down and you can see the players reaction after, maybe not violent but foul play and 100% agree it's a red, unlike many others.

TheRam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 4:34 pm He did.

Is that violent conduct though?

What’s was violent about it?

I would consider it violence if another man pulled my hair, would you not?

brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 6:05 pm I would consider it violence if another man pulled my hair, would you not?

I'd never kink shame

Can we ask mykolenko to do the bit instead.

Knowing my run ATM this will be rescinded entirely with an official apology

brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 6:05 pm I would consider it violence if another man pulled my hair, would you not?

Not whilst challenging for a header in a football match.

TheRam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 8:47 pm Not whilst challenging for a header in a football match.

I must be out of my mind.

I have always assumed if you pull someone's hair you go off. Same as eye gouging scratching slapping - acts of violence not allowed in ordinary actions when challenging for the ball.

Is it so violent that he needs to go the hospital? No

Is it an ordinary action you do when challenging for the ball? No! It's something girls do when fighting.

brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 8:56 pm I must be out of my mind.

I have always assumed if you pull someone's hair you go off. Same as eye gouging scratching slapping - acts of violence not allowed in ordinary actions when challenging for the ball.

Is it so violent that he needs to go the hospital? No

Is it an ordinary action you do when challenging for the ball? No! It's something girls do when fighting.

Eye gouging, scratching and slapping someone are much worse than pulling someone’s hair imo.

I just can’t take it seriously as a violent act.

TheRam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 9:08 pm Eye gouging, scratching and slapping someone are much worse than pulling someone’s hair imo.

I just can’t take it seriously as a violent act.

I agree it's not dangerous in this instance (negligible force?) but it is obviously foul play like.

Also it's fair to say the rules are quite interpretive to be honest.

SENDING OFF

Sending-off offences include (but are not limited to):

delaying the restart of play by the opposing team e.g. holding onto the ball, kicking the ball away, obstructing the movement of a player
deliberately leaving the technical area to:
show dissent towards, or remonstrate with, a match official
act in a provocative or inflammatory manner
enter the opposing technical area in an aggressive or confrontational manner
deliberately throwing/kicking an object onto the field of play
entering the field of play to:
confront a match official (including at half-time and full-time)
interfere with play, an opposing player or a match official
entering the video operation room (VOR)
physical or aggressive behaviour (including spitting or biting) towards an opposing player, substitute, team official, match official, spectator or any
other person (e.g. ball boy/girl, security or competition official etc.)
receiving a second caution in the same match
using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
using unauthorised electronic or communication equipment and/or behaving in an inappropriate manner as a result of using electronic or communication equipment
violent conduct

Also I must say this because I believe it even though I do think this might attract pelters but -

Pulling a black players locs simply DOES feel more egregious to me, and I think optics wise it is not a look someone in a decision making position will want to allow e.g. ref, var, whatever

TheRam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 9:08 pm Eye gouging, scratching and slapping someone are much worse than pulling someone’s hair imo.

I just can’t take it seriously as a violent act.

brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 8:56 pm I must be out of my mind.

I have always assumed if you pull someone's hair you go off. Same as eye gouging scratching slapping - acts of violence not allowed in ordinary actions when challenging for the ball.

Is it so violent that he needs to go the hospital? No

Is it an ordinary action you do when challenging for the ball? No! It's something girls do when fighting.

Different sports handle it differently, in the NFL I believe hair sticking out of the helmet can often be considered part of the uniform when tackling.

I don't have a problem with them setting the rule to dissuade such things and it being a red, but the ban should consider the incident and it I can't get on board with that amount of force being worthy of a 3 game ban and branded as violent in a contact sport where we even saw way worse in that game itself not be punished to the same degree. Another hair pulling situation might be worth 3 games, maybe like the video posted above, but this incident just doesn't fit it for me.

brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 08, 2026 9:27 pm I agree it's not dangerous in this instance (negligible force?) but it is obviously foul play like.

Also it's fair to say the rules are quite interpretive to be honest.

SENDING OFF

Sending-off offences include (but are not limited to):

delaying the restart of play by the opposing team e.g. holding onto the ball, kicking the ball away, obstructing the movement of a player
deliberately leaving the technical area to:
show dissent towards, or remonstrate with, a match official
act in a provocative or inflammatory manner
enter the opposing technical area in an aggressive or confrontational manner
deliberately throwing/kicking an object onto the field of play
entering the field of play to:
confront a match official (including at half-time and full-time)
interfere with play, an opposing player or a match official
entering the video operation room (VOR)
physical or aggressive behaviour (including spitting or biting) towards an opposing player, substitute, team official, match official, spectator or any
other person (e.g. ball boy/girl, security or competition official etc.)
receiving a second caution in the same match
using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
using unauthorised electronic or communication equipment and/or behaving in an inappropriate manner as a result of using electronic or communication equipment
violent conduct

Not reading all of this.

Also on the same night VAR said this was completely fine apparently.