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Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:59 am**

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:53 am I would say if you take Doucoure, Onana and Coleman out of this team, and lose the only vaguely decent sub you have in Danjuma through injury it's an incredibly tall ask to not have a run of shit form.

Obviously he does have to find an answer, and I'd imagine with key players back we'll have a far higher chance of winning matches than without.

The injury issues are compounded though by other players then playing too much and being fatigued so their own levels drop, we don't win matches which leads to a drop in confidence, and then the pressure builds and we snatch at chances because of the enormity of the situation.

with regards the 90% of clubs, yes sure but all of that 90% don't face the issues we have this season.

The form is a big problem, the inability to finish is a big problem... Let's see what happens after the 3 week break as I expect us to look a lot better after it.

Yeah, like I say, he's been given the context of the squad the finances the club.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:33 am**

Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:09 pm It's fair to say that he probably does deserve a chance at just a normal season, with no deductions and other madness going on, but deep down, do you suspect it'll just look very much like this season on the pitch? Difficult to beat, not many goals, not much football, some decent away wins, struggles at Goodison, losses to teams we should beat.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 11:34 am**

Bluedylan1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:09 pm It's fair to say that he probably does deserve a chance at just a normal season, with no deductions and other madness going on, but deep down, do you suspect it'll just look very much like this season on the pitch? Difficult to beat, not many goals, not much football, some decent away wins, struggles at Goodison, losses to teams we should beat.

I guess that it all depends on whether or not he is given any funds to bring in some players next season, if he is not supported in the transfer market it probably will be very much like this season on the pitch, what other options does he have with this squad ? And lose Branthwaite and Onana then all bets are off.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:03 pm**

brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:16 am They're not going to have the longest run of shit form in their history though are they being honest.

He HAS to take responsibility for that, he's the manager, what he's doing hasn't worked, he has to sort it out. 90% of club's our size fire a manager for that form. He's not been fired because he's been given the benefit of the doubt over the current state of the club, squad and finances.

Who would fire him though? It is as if we dont have a board, we dont have anyone in control/charge. Its crazy!!

Absolutely dreading this fucking American coming in

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:05 pm**

If you take the points deduction out of the equation and have us on 31 then he’s doing fine purely from a points perspective. This 10 game winless streak needs to end soon

Although home wins aren’t really our style you’re got to realistically look at Sheff U, Burnley, Brentford and Forest at home as the ones we should be winning

United, Liverpool, Newcastle, Arsenal realistic losses

Chelsea, Bournemouth, Luton draws

If that plays out as I’ve predicted there it’s 40 points. Realistically we will draw 2 of those home bankers taking us down to 36 which even with a further points deduction might actually still keep us up

Style wise it’s horrible though. We can definitely forgive it to a certain extent given what Dyche has had to work with, but when we are in the new stadium I do want to change manager and have someone in their that is trying to build for the future and also play better football

We are Everton and we have been brought down to the level where we purely try to stop the opposition playing even if it’s the likes of mid table mediocrity we are playing against

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Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:28 pm**

Audrey Horne wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:03 pm Who would fire him though? It is as if we dont have a board, we dont have anyone in control/charge. Its crazy!!

Absolutely dreading this fucking American coming in

Would be thelwell really with sign off from Chong (?) or moshiri but we aren't going to, we can't and we can't affo s to, nor can we afford to hire a new manager, both figuratively and literally, we can't pay the money and any dip in performances which is a risk would probably send us down.

He is safe as houses, but he does have to shoulder responsibility and under more normal circumstances, he'd be under much, much more pressure.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:30 pm**

Important question - IS It horrible style wise, we've got a few evangelists for his brand on here haven't we?

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:17 pm**

brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:30 pm Important question - IS It horrible style wise, we've got a few evangelists for his brand on here haven't we?

Depends which version we play... We've had some enjoyable matches with high pressing and really bullying teams which has been a good watch

But then there's the Palace games where he goes conservative and low block hope for a set piece goal.

The Palace game really was bad PR for his brand of footy because it lost some of the support he had... If we'd had a go and drawn it'd have been seen as an acceptable result, but the negativity in the tactics was unacceptable to a lot of people.

When we've had our best players fit we've largely looked decent, we've attacked, created chances and pressed the shit out of opponents. But it's been extremely stale without them and Dyche has reverted to just being hard to beat during those times which ultimately leads to poor entertainment factor.

I think if you gave him a fully fit first choice eleven and a few key players to add to it then we'd be content with the football, especially as we'd be probably in the top half.

But if that will ever happen is an unknown as we could easily be starting next season without Branthwaite and Onana, no real additions and 777 pocketing the £150m to pay off the loans we took out from them.

That latter part is why I can't even really be arsed thinking about 2-3 years down the line and who our manager might be and the team they might build, because we're not in a position to think that far ahead.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:20 pm**

brap2 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:30 pm Important question - IS It horrible style wise, we've got a few evangelists for his brand on here haven't we?

It is desperate and the problem is some Everton supporters love it carragher said a few weeks ago before the palace game long ball and running around kicking people was more or less what our fans want I am so sick of it how can we go from Carlo James digne etc to dyche ball in a few years

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:23 pm**

Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 1:20 pm It is desperate and the problem is some Everton supporters love it carragher said a few weeks ago before the palace game long ball and running around kicking people was more or less what our fans want I am so sick of it how can we go from Carlo James digne etc to dyche ball in a few years

We were as negative as I’ve ever seen us for large parts under Carlo.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:44 pm**

It is what it is, we're playing survival mode football and that's never very enjoyable to watch. I don't really know what people are expecting, yes the football could be a little better but people moan on the one hand that we've not got many decent players but seem to expect us to knock around like peak Brazil. It's a bit like when people say a player is shite but we should be getting £80m for them.

It's a bit of a no win, if we were trying to go toe to toe with teams and playing in fun games but hemorrhaging goals like Luton or Burnley would people be happy with that, probably not. People have their preconceived opinions of Dyche and that won't change and that's fine but even if he was willing to change and play more entertaining football it's not the time at the moment and we generally don't have the players either.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 2:54 pm**

The early season run of shit form was bearable as we could see a plan for the first time in years
that late autumn run after the points deduction was exceptional as everything we needed to go our way went our way.
This run of shit form highlights exactly why the plan can't be the long-term (or *only*) plan.

I have zero problem with a mean and aggressive defence. In fact, it's something i actively love to see (Mourinho's peak Chelsea eating Barca away was celebrated in our house despite the chorus of "anti-football" shouts).
I have zero problems with pressing like lunatics in key areas.
I have zero problems with percentage football.

I do have a problem with pretending the midfield is superfluous and playing diagonals to an isolated centre-forward or, what's worse, having that centre-forward permanently run the channels.

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 3:46 pm**

Post of the year right there

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:02 pm**

I mean when your centre half and goalkeeper are your playmakers there is something radically wrong

Posted: **Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:44 pm**

I dont think people do expect peak Brazil...? Who said that? Who has said they want to see flowing beautiful football ?

I am not stupid, I know we are in an awful position, that we are fighting relegation and cant necessarily compete.

But i also know that the football we are playing is fucking awful. Tactically it just seems terrible. We can not shoot. And i cant understand why? These may not be Haaland players but ffs, they are professional footballers, yet cant hit the target.

No creativity, no clue what to do with the ball etc

Its boring, but more than that, it is absolutely shit.

No changes before 67 mins, picking the same dire players week in week out.

Nothing we can do about like, but annoying when i hear that we are asking too much, or want exceptional footy.... I just want us to look competently coached when attacking.

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