Tim Iroegbunam

[AjaxAndy]

I think home games will show up his weaknesses and away games he'll thrive. Much happier when we aren't trying to play much footy and it's more of a defensive approach like at Forest. When we're trying to get on the ball and apply pressure in a more sustained way his skill set looks much weaker.

[Matt1878]

"PSR" Tim had a mountain to climb with Everton fans when he joined, he was still just about 20 and had played 12 Premier League gamss for Villa, and a loan spell before he signed.

Dibling is going to be 20 next month and has a full season in the PL with Southampton and has been untouchable. Fans seem happy to play the long game accept his shortcomings and will see how he develops
They'll blame others around him (patterson, Tarks, Moyes) for any shortcomings. Dont get me wrong I don't like to see crowds get on the back of youngsters, my point is should Tim not be afforded the same?.He seemed to be judged as a seasoned pro, with people writing him off in no time. He has had some very good and some very ordinary games for us this year, but there is plenty of potential there. The 2 players are not a world apart in their timeline of development.

[Cods]

Of course they need to be treated as a youngsters. Age isn't everything of course (Wayne was streets ahead at 17) but we need more patience in general. Some players won't make it, fair enough. Our assessments don't mean anything anyway, we've only got to read any thread back after a month or two to see that.

Booing and pressure where it's not warranted is simply unhelpful no matter the issue.

Players can read the room. They know when they've played poorly and know more about what's required than the vast majority of supporters who have never laced boots. They'd have no doubt under their current manager anyway.

It's so disappointing.

[kramer]

Again, you have to ride the waves. He’s had numerous steady games with the odd stinker thrown in. Eventually, if those stinkers persist, then you have to accept that that’s who he is as a player. We’re not there yet.

Our distance from relegation teams is a gift to pump minutes into projects like precisely like him. Way more important that we develop all of the raw talent we’ve acquired then push our chips in on some misguided run at a European place. I would love to be in Europe next season but it’s not worth giving young players a short leash to get there. Several of the big clubs are rudderless due to poor ownership, I don’t think this is a once in a decade chance for us to qualify.

This next generation has every chance at being a perennial Europa team and maybe even a CL team if enough big money clubs falter again. Since we aren’t making a serious run at the CL this season, I don’t mind sitting through the odd poor performance from Barry, Tim, Dibling, or whoever because I know they’ll be better for the consistent games a year from now.

[Juanito]

Yeah, with Iroegbunam, JOB, Dibbling, Anzou, Rohl, Barry and Armstrong, we have a core group of player who need minutes in their core positions to develop in this league (or others) for next season and the season after.

We ain’t gonna do it by pumping millions in and our expected results based on performances has us a lot lower than Europe anyway.

[TheRam]

Needs to put a 90 minutes together.

Sensational in the first half but faded again.

Very promising signs with him though and I’d keep him in the team when Gana is back.

[Dchans]

Way better than Dobbin, who we essentially swapped him for

[Shogun]

I just think he's missing too much to play at this level. Ball winning is elite but decision making and technical ability is terrible.

Run about 40 yards with the ball at one point towards their box, there was the most obvious pass on to Grealish, and he just kept running , ran into their defender and managed to eventually tackle the ball towards Grealish.

Wasn't the only instance either. Think his ball-winning ability allows people to ignore how poor an actual footballer he is in a team of many other poor footballers.

[TheRam]

Not having he’s a poor footballer.

He needs to release the ball quicker definitely, but he goes last people with ease and is very comfortable on the ball.

I’m all in on him.

[Goaljira]

He just seems completely unaware at times that he needs to get rid as there is pressure coming. Hes definitely got very good qualities, but I dont know if what he's missing can be coached.

[Audrey Horne]

I just think he's missing too much to play at this level. Ball winning is elite but decision making and technical ability is terrible.

Run about 40 yards with the ball at one point towards their box, there was the most obvious pass on to Grealish, and he just kept running , ran into their defender and managed to eventually tackle the ball towards Grealish.

Wasn't the only instance either. Think his ball-winning ability allows people to ignore how poor an actual footballer he is in a team of many other poor footballers.

But can't that side of his game be coached? Surely it can?

[Cods]

But can't that side of his game be coached? Surely it can?

Some kids pick it up at 10 years old though, 22 is leaving it a bit late.

Shooting, passing and awareness are way down. Someone in his position needs at least 2 of the 3 to be functional. Ball winning is excellent, change of pace and drive is very good, but there are big gaps.

[blueToffee]

Some kids pick it up at 10 years old though, 22 is leaving it a bit late.

Shooting, passing and awareness are way down. Someone in his position needs at least 2 of the 3 to be functional. Ball winning is excellent, change of pace and drive is very good, but there are big gaps.

I think it's fair to say though in his time under Moyes he has developed though right? He isn't the same player he was even a year ago, and until he really stops showing improvement then he gets the benefit of the doubt for me. Passing is the one for me that's the thing for him to work on and I think that's something Moyes has mentioned too. I actually think is awareness is generally pretty good as I don't think you can win the ball and get out of tight spaces without that, just needs to work on getting his head up a little more once doing those things.

I like the look of him, and I hope he keeps progressing.

[Cods]

I think it's fair to say though in his time under Moyes he has developed though right? He isn't the same player he was even a year ago, and until he really stops showing improvement then he gets the benefit of the doubt for me. Passing is the one for me that's the thing for him to work on and I think that's something Moyes has mentioned too. I actually think is awareness is generally pretty good as I don't think you can win the ball and get out of tight spaces without that, just needs to work on getting his head up a little more once doing those things.

I like the look of him, and I hope he keeps progressing.

Without doubt, he's definitely improved, quite a lot, I like what he brings to the team as well as we don't really have enough of it at the moment.

I just don't think it will get to the point where he's an undroppable member of the 11 as he has a few categories to improve upon, and some parts *really* need a lot of work.

Undoubtedly an athlete, no issues there.

If we simply look at his 'shots on goal' he doesn't ever look anywhere near like a premier league footballer, he always has it under his feet, mistimes his swing at it, maybe panics, and just looks all over the place.

Awareness both with and without (but mainly with) the ball is not up to scratch. Winning tackles where he's only focussing on one player and where they could go - he's good there, but positionally, reading the game and recognising threats etc is still pretty poor I reckon.

I like him and want him to improve, just quickly as he needs to for himself, and the team.

[The Doc]

Missing a big chunk of football intelligence required for this level. Physical ability, tackling and ball carrying all top level, let's see how he develops but frustrating at times.