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I am not agreeing with that narrative of Roberto Martinez. At least he was closer to success than make us relegate. As for Moyes I totally agree with you. No reason to criticise him for doing his job at Manchester United. I actually would like to thank him for what he did to Manchester United.74Blue wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:25 pm The whole Baines and Fellaini thing. You have to remember that at that point, he was no longer Everton's manager, he was just doing his job. He knew the financial position at Everton and put in a cheeky bid for a couple of players that he knew would improve his new club. Maybe he was a little naughty going public with it and accusing is of holding them back, but ultimately, he was just doing the job he was being paid to do. I don't hold any grudges over that.
I also don't hold any grudges over him going to Utd in the first place. At the time, that was the biggest job in English football. The opportunity to rebuild a dynasty that had been built by Sir Alex. Having a transfer budget that he couldn't ever have dreamed of whilst at Everton. Going to a club that could afford to bring in almost any player that they wanted after 11 years of operating on a shoestring at Everton. Who would turn that down. Also, it was not like he just fucked off, he did announce it before he went, giving the club ample opportunity to scout out a replacement. The fact that Bill was mesmerised by Martinez was not down to Moyes. For a little while, we were all taken in by him too. We were loving Lukaku's goals and the sexy tiki taka. We didn't give it a second thought that it was built on foundations of sand and RM didn't have a fucking clue how to defend. It was fine whilst he still had the defence that Moyes had built, but it was never going to be sustainable in the long term, and Mark my words, one more season and RM would have took us into the Championship.
However you feel about him doesn't really matter right now anyway. He is the man that the club have chosen to keep us in the PL and lead us into our beautiful new home. Let's get behind the man, make Goodison an absolute fucking cauldron for whoever comes and do our part in getting Everton over the line.
Martinez was a god awful manager. Genuinely good squad going backwards.TrevorSteven wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:33 pm I am not agreeing with that narrative of Roberto Martinez. At least he was closer to success than make us relegate. As for Moyes I totally agree with you. No reason to criticise him for doing his job at Manchester United. I actually would like to thank him for what he did to Manchester United.
He inherited a very defence, so initially had the foundations upon which he could play nice, attacking football. It was when he had to concentrate on bringing in defenders that we started to regress rapidly. Come on mate you really think we were going to be successful with Antolin fucking Alcaraz at centre half????TrevorSteven wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:33 pm I am not agreeing with that narrative of Roberto Martinez. At least he was closer to success than make us relegate. As for Moyes I totally agree with you. No reason to criticise him for doing his job at Manchester United. I actually would like to thank him for what he did to Manchester United.
It was absolutely criminal that he didn't win anything with the golden generation of Belgian football.777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:29 pm Think martinez knows he's a bluffer. Never returned to club football. Was genuinely looking forward to watching him ruin a club and what was left of his reputation
Honestly of all our God awful managers he was my least favorite (until benitez) found him utterly unlikeable. He'd shite in our mouths and tell us it was chocolate
The defense bit is extra funny when you think about how obsessed Pep has become with defensive structure.777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:03 pm Remember him doing an interview with carragher when the wheels were coming off and he said top teams just kept the ball so didn't have to worry much about defence. Like that was our tactic despite top teams actually being able to defend and us not having the quality to just dominate the ball
He was an absolute bullshit merchant. From Barry being 1 of England's greatest ever players, to us signing the greatest ever free transfer (his name escapes me from utd) mainly though about things that just sounded like good ideas but he had no way of implementing them if there was ever a chance of them working anyway. Everyone was gonna live at the club before match days. Baines was gonna play midfield like lahm. He just chatted absolute shite with zero substance
We talk about his transfer success, but it wasn’t just about the price and the ability of the player. Very early on in this interview he mentions the character of the players we used to have. That’s a big thing we need more of in the club, especially in a relegation fight.
Are players like that even a thing anymore?Toddacelli wrote: We talk about his transfer success, but it wasn’t just about the price and the ability of the player. Very early on in this interview he mentions the character of the players we used to have. That’s a big thing we need more of in the club, especially in a relegation fight.