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Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:48 pm**

Other than DCL’s goal tally are any of our attacking players underperforming to what they usually produce?

Just a collection of bog standard players, making poor decisions and lacking quality in the final third.

The manager can improve that, but to what extent with this collection of players in the forward areas?

Must be the worst we’ve had since the early days of Moyes.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:52 pm**

I don't know man. I look at how utterly useless Maupay looked for us under Dyche then he goes to Brentford and suddenly he's bagging regularly. Can't just be a coincidence.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:12 pm**

Shogun wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:52 pm I don't know man. I look at how utterly useless Maupay looked for us under Dyche then he goes to Brentford and suddenly he's bagging regularly. Can't just be a coincidence.

He looked utterly useless for us long before dyche came in.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:24 pm**

Shogun wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:52 pm I don't know man. I look at how utterly useless Maupay looked for us under Dyche then he goes to Brentford and suddenly he's bagging regularly. Can't just be a coincidence.

Don't know about bagging regularly, went on a mad run where he scored five games in a row, two in the cup games against Wolves and three in the league so outside of that run he's scored three for the rest of the season in twenty appearances outside of those games or 8 in 25 appearances in total. The five in a row is one of those where it looks like a bit blip rather than finding some form and makes his form look better than it is. He's also on the bench as much as he starts so the manager's doesn't appear to have huge faith in him either.

There's lots of things Dyche can be criticised for but Maupe isn't one of them.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:25 pm**

TheRam wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:12 pm He looked utterly useless for us long before dyche came in.

Must be something about crap managers that he struggles with

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:31 pm**

Shogun wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:25 pm Must be something about crap managers that he struggles with

Luckily for dyche he’s got strikers like Andre grey, Ashley Barnes, Chris wood and Danny ings scoring at a good rate in the premier league so he’s probably happy with his record with strikers.

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:34 pm**

TheRam wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:31 pm Luckily for dyche he’s got strikers like Andre grey, Ashley Barnes, Chris wood and Danny ings scoring at a good rate in the premier league so he’s probably happy with his record with strikers.

Looking forward the Ashley Barnes and Chris Wood future!

Posted: **Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:17 pm**

Lots of talk about quality of chances which is something I highlighted weeks and weeks ago... However we have to remember just how many times we've somehow kept the ball out of the opponents net in seemingly unfeasible ways.

Hitting the bar, off the line... Any sort of way to miss something where it seems almost impossible we have. Genuinely been flabbergasted at times how we've failed to score through pure panic or bizarre bad luck.

Fulham and Spurs are two examples but there's been countless others, just somehow finding a way to not put it in the net when it's seemingly harder to miss than score, or it's hit someone on the line without them having a clue it's happening.

Yes chance creation is by and large low quality which is on the manager, but the jesus the players shoulder a huge amount of the blame too by doing everything they can it seems to miss those seemingly unmissable chances, and there's been MANY.

Posted: **Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:53 pm**

Realistically, when/what circumstances do we move on from Dyche?

If we're in the relegation zone next month? In the summer? See how the start of the next season goes? If we're relegated? Once the ownership issue is finished? Never, so long as he keeps us in the Premier League?

Attempting to be objective, I do think he's been unlucky in terms of DCL's poor form this season and McNeil's off the pitch problems probably contributing to his poor form as well. You'd think if those two were at their best then we'd be pretty content right now.

However, and how much of this is down to him I don't know, some of the signings have just really not been up to scratch and are a concern for me. Chermiti is young but clearly not ready. Beto isn't young and hasn't been ready. Harrison and Garner are both workhorses who aren't much quality on the ball. The less said about Ashley Young the better. If Dyche does fail here then what sort of squad is going to be left for the next manager? Are we going to sign more athletes that can't actually kick a ball? If there is money left to be reinvested from a Branthwaite/Onana sale then I really don't want to see who he brings into the club. That's without getting into him continually picking Ben Godfrey despite him being atrocious or failing to get Danjuma into the side in another signing that has been a dud.

From a personal POV, I went to the Luton match in the cup and I genuinely do not want to go back at Goodison to watch another match whilst he's in charge. I've seen a lot of shit results from a lot of shit managers over the years at Goodison but I don't think I've ever been so bored and frustrated at the lack of quality on display. Yes, some of that is down to personnel but I've seen plenty more limited teams than us play better football than what we do.

I really don't want us to see us just turn into Burnley for the next 5 years. Even if I don't rate him as highly as others, if we could get Potter in the summer then I would absolutely be making that happen. It's incredibly unlikely that he's going anywhere but if we're served up this again next season under him then even if we stay up I will 100% want him gone.

Posted: **Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:09 am**

Posted: **Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:19 am**

"Everton sources insist there was no major bust-up, claiming the incident on Wednesday was a clumsy joke that backfired, but it caused a stir among fellow restaurant diners.

There was no obvious bad blood between Dyche and his players for the rest of the trip, with Everton training well on Thursday and Friday before flying home."

Yet Matt Hughes couldn't resist writing another article against the club.

Posted: **Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:05 am**

Shogun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:53 pm Realistically, when/what circumstances do we move on from Dyche?

If we're in the relegation zone next month? In the summer? See how the start of the next season goes? If we're relegated? Once the ownership issue is finished? Never, so long as he keeps us in the Premier League?

Attempting to be objective, I do think he's been unlucky in terms of DCL's poor form this season and McNeil's off the pitch problems probably contributing to his poor form as well. You'd think if those two were at their best then we'd be pretty content right now.

However, and how much of this is down to him I don't know, some of the signings have just really not been up to scratch and are a concern for me. Chermiti is young but clearly not ready. Beto isn't young and hasn't been ready. Harrison and Garner are both workhorses who aren't much quality on the ball. The less said about Ashley Young the better. If Dyche does fail here then what sort of squad is going to be left for the next manager? Are we going to sign more athletes that can't actually kick a ball? If there is money left to be reinvested from a Branthwaite/Onana sale then I really don't want to see who he brings into the club. That's without getting into him continually picking Ben Godfrey despite him being atrocious or failing to get Danjuma into the side in another signing that has been a dud.

From a personal POV, I went to the Luton match in the cup and I genuinely do not want to go back at Goodison to watch another match whilst he's in charge. I've seen a lot of shit results from a lot of shit managers over the years at Goodison but I don't think I've ever been so bored and frustrated at the lack of quality on display. Yes, some of that is down to personnel but I've seen plenty more limited teams than us play better football than what we do.

I really don't want us to see us just turn into Burnley for the next 5 years. Even if I don't rate him as highly as others, if we could get Potter in the summer then I would absolutely be making that happen. It's incredibly unlikely that he's going anywhere but if we're served up this again next season under him then even if we stay up I will 100% want him gone.

To your third paragraph you need to add that he’s had a six point deduction and is probably facing a further deduction, how unlucky can you get. If he keeps us up it is mission accomplished, how much longer he remains at the club is entirely dependant on whether our new owners have money/ambition or if it’s cash strapped 777.

Posted: **Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:38 am**

Shogun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:53 pm Realistically, when/what circumstances do we move on from Dyche?

If we're in the relegation zone next month? In the summer? See how the start of the next season goes? If we're relegated? Once the ownership issue is finished? Never, so long as he keeps us in the Premier League?

Attempting to be objective, I do think he's been unlucky in terms of DCL's poor form this season and McNeil's off the pitch problems probably contributing to his poor form as well. You'd think if those two were at their best then we'd be pretty content right now.

However, and how much of this is down to him I don't know, some of the signings have just really not been up to scratch and are a concern for me. Chermiti is young but clearly not ready. Beto isn't young and hasn't been ready. Harrison and Garner are both workhorses who aren't much quality on the ball. The less said about Ashley Young the better. If Dyche does fail here then what sort of squad is going to be left for the next manager? Are we going to sign more athletes that can't actually kick a ball? If there is money left to be reinvested from a Branthwaite/Onana sale then I really don't want to see who he brings into the club. That's without getting into him continually picking Ben Godfrey despite him being atrocious or failing to get Danjuma into the side in another signing that has been a dud.

From a personal POV, I went to the Luton match in the cup and I genuinely do not want to go back at Goodison to watch another match whilst he's in charge. I've seen a lot of shit results from a lot of shit managers over the years at Goodison but I don't think I've ever been so bored and frustrated at the lack of quality on display. Yes, some of that is down to personnel but I've seen plenty more limited teams than us play better football than what we do.

I really don't want us to see us just turn into Burnley for the next 5 years. Even if I don't rate him as highly as others, if we could get Potter in the summer then I would absolutely be making that happen. It's incredibly unlikely that he's going anywhere but if we're served up this again next season under him then even if we stay up I will 100% want him gone.

Graham potter who finished 15th and 16th in his first two seasons at Brighton and was terrible at Chelsea.

What do you expect him to achieve here when all his best players have to be sold and most of the profits are used to pay the debt?

Would be the same results just with more passing.

This job becomes even harder next year. Why add a change of manager into the mix?

Posted: **Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:12 am**

Shogun wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:53 pm Realistically, when/what circumstances do we move on from Dyche?

If we're in the relegation zone next month? In the summer? See how the start of the next season goes? If we're relegated? Once the ownership issue is finished? Never, so long as he keeps us in the Premier League?

Attempting to be objective, I do think he's been unlucky in terms of DCL's poor form this season and McNeil's off the pitch problems probably contributing to his poor form as well. You'd think if those two were at their best then we'd be pretty content right now.

However, and how much of this is down to him I don't know, some of the signings have just really not been up to scratch and are a concern for me. Chermiti is young but clearly not ready. Beto isn't young and hasn't been ready. Harrison and Garner are both workhorses who aren't much quality on the ball. The less said about Ashley Young the better. If Dyche does fail here then what sort of squad is going to be left for the next manager? Are we going to sign more athletes that can't actually kick a ball? If there is money left to be reinvested from a Branthwaite/Onana sale then I really don't want to see who he brings into the club. That's without getting into him continually picking Ben Godfrey despite him being atrocious or failing to get Danjuma into the side in another signing that has been a dud.

From a personal POV, I went to the Luton match in the cup and I genuinely do not want to go back at Goodison to watch another match whilst he's in charge. I've seen a lot of shit results from a lot of shit managers over the years at Goodison but I don't think I've ever been so bored and frustrated at the lack of quality on display. Yes, some of that is down to personnel but I've seen plenty more limited teams than us play better football than what we do.

I really don't want us to see us just turn into Burnley for the next 5 years. Even if I don't rate him as highly as others, if we could get Potter in the summer then I would absolutely be making that happen. It's incredibly unlikely that he's going anywhere but if we're served up this again next season under him then even if we stay up I will 100% want him gone.

Move on once he's had the environment to succeed and hasn't done so.

This season is what it is, we're still alive at the moment and I genuinely don't care about anything other than staying up this season.

I want to see us comfortably mid table next season with no points deductions, but there's a chance we sell our best players and don't reinvest, we get another points deduction... If those things happen I'll just be praying we stay up again.

I can't think ahead at all because there's no obvious path to getting out of this mess at present. Stay up, 777 get rejected, we find a better owner, we buy some good players... If that happens I'll start asking for more because Dyche will have been given the tools and environment to do better.

Posted: **Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:49 am**

Anyone else seen the report of disharmony on the trip to Portugal? Alleged that Dych 'cuffed' Patto on the head playfully, but it wasn't appreciated by some players. I guess if my boss played a truly awful CB at RB and didn't give me a look in, that 'Dad' gesture wouldn't have gone down well either

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