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American Evertonian wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:09 am Whether we stay up or go down, he has to go this summer. Nothing will improve under him and will likely keep edging towards relegation with him at the helm.

Sadly I’m not sure who would come to us in our current situation. It’s like Dyche and Everton deserve one another.

We will soon be 2 points deductions in. We face either making 100m on sales or a points deduction next season and probably seasons after that too. You're complaining we haven't improved (we really have) and that we are edging towards relegation? Where the fuck do people think this version of everton should be. Clubs fucked. The manager and the players all deserve better. At the very least they deserve to be able to keep all the points they win. Let's not pretend otherwise

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 9:06 am Don't know what people expect him to say tbh... Is he really going to come out and say 'I'm struggling here, it's possible that despite all my experience I'm actually not really able to adapt to the current game and I've pretty much lost the dressing room. Just hoping we can grind it out to the end of the season and stay up, and that I don't get sacked at some point'.

Sounds like a more accurate description!

Nail on the head: Fans, manager, players and staff deserve better

Feels(Sean) like we've been had

American Evertonian wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:09 am Whether we stay up or go down, he has to go this summer. Nothing will improve under him and will likely keep edging towards relegation with him at the helm.

Sadly I’m not sure who would come to us in our current situation. It’s like Dyche and Everton deserve one another.

And yet despite all the trouble at the club he's actually edged us away from relegation compared to the previous few seasons despite the club having to sell our best players and work the loan market.

It's too easy to just say "he needs to go", without knowing anything that's going to happen over the coming weeks and months. He's had to work with one hand tied behind his back but without a points deduction we'd be 10 points clear of relegation even after a bad run and all but safe with 8 games still to go, five of which are against a club one place above us and the four below us. Even if we get hit with another deduction it's still massively in our hands.

It's not been pretty at times and gets tough when a club gets into a bad run but we'll never know how much the off field stuff has affected the players and coaches but I'd be hugely surprised if it hasn't.

The bottom 3 are genuinely terrible. The fact that we've been given a 6 point deduction and Forest have 4 points, yet neither are in the relegation zone says a lot about the disparity there. Realistically Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United might not hit 30 points this season. Next season, we won't be so lucky.

I wonder if any Premier League manager has ever survived such a run without a win.

Was thinking about writing something similar to Gash but for fear of being slammed immediately by a small bunch on here for being a Dyche apologist I didn’t. Fact is though, some sack the cunt people seem to have forgotten that when he took over we were joint bottom of the Premier League, just second bottom on goal difference. Without the points deduction we would now be in our highest position in the league at this stage of the season since Carlo Ancelloti who was able to put a team out including, Mina, Digne,James, Richarlison etc.
Just a little balance

Gash wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:20 pm And yet despite all the trouble at the club he's actually edged us away from relegation compared to the previous few seasons despite the club having to sell our best players and work the loan market.

It's too easy to just say "he needs to go", without knowing anything that's going to happen over the coming weeks and months. He's had to work with one hand tied behind his back but without a points deduction we'd be 9 point clear of relegation even after a bad run and all but safe with 8 games still to go, five of which are against a club one place above us and the four below us. Even if we get hit with another deduction it's still massively in our hands.

It's not been pretty at times and gets tough when a club gets into a bad run but we'll never know how much the off field stuff has affected the players and coaches but I'd be hugely surprised if it hasn't.

Yes but his voice is annoying, he's turning us into burnley and we deserve something fancier

Have to agree with Gash there.

Why waste a progressive manager on this mess. They’d only lose their job within a year like the rest of them.

He’s not the man we want but is probably the man we need at the moment.

If we ever look like acting like a proper club then yeah, look elsewhere.

Our issues aren’t going to magically disappear in the summer with a new manager or new owners.

Shogun wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:27 pm The bottom 3 are genuinely terrible. The fact that we've been given a 6 point deduction and Forest have 4 points, yet neither are in the relegation zone says a lot about the disparity there. Realistically Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United might not hit 30 points this season. Next season, we won't be so lucky.

I wonder if any Premier League manager has ever survived such a run without a win.

Shouldn’t he be judged on his job overall and not one poor run?

It’s a terrible run of form but on the whole he’s done a good job hasn’t he?

If we get out of this hole and pick up a reasonable amount of points it will be a positive season on the pitch.

If we don’t then it’s shit but there’s just no viable alternative at the moment until the mess is sorted out.

TheRam wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 12:41 pm Shouldn’t he be judged on his job overall and not one poor run?

It’s a terrible run of form but on the whole he’s done a good job hasn’t he?

If we get out of this hole and pick up a reasonable amount of points it will be a positive season on the pitch.

If we don’t then it’s shit but there’s just no viable alternative at the moment until the mess is sorted out.

I'd say 32 points from 30 matches is okay. I don't think it's anything beyond what this squad is capable of achieving. We might make 40 points without the deduction this season but that's nothing to celebrate either. I think any run of form this bad is tough to ignore and I'm struggling to think of any manager that just has a random 4 months winless run and turned it around into a success.

It would be different if this came at the start of the season and he'd now turned it around and we were picking up points but given that injuries/suspensions isn't really a factor, the football is visibly poor, the results at Goodison have been a disgrace and he's been here for 15/16 months then I don't think it's unfair that people have lost any faith in him being the right man for the job.

I think if we get 4 or more points deducted we will likely go down (based on Luton already beating us twice at Goodison and then being the team most likely to be close to us).

But that would mean we were going down after getting 40+ points in a year. Which is a points haul representing an improvement on anything since Ancelloti

I must be missing something or watching some other games to some on here if dyche is doing a good job

Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:12 pm I must be missing something or watching some other games to some on here if dyche is doing a good job

Having won 32 points after 8 games with a reasonably easy looking run in is what people consider good.

We don't win another point this year? Then yeah, 32 points is a shit amount to get over a season.

But it's not unreasonable to think we'll end up with over 40 (before deductions) which is a significant improvement over recent years

He is on a par with Mike walker at the moment if he doesn’t get them to win tomorrow do we just leave him to plod along hoping the bottom 3 keep dropping points

Let him finish out his contract, then start fresh after next season. It is the only path that makes any fucking sense.

We'll need to squeeze out another 16th-17th next year (likely with a 4-6 point deduction hole), so why dig even further into debt to fuck Dyche off, when no sane manager (with options) would sign up to possibly take us down our last season at Goodison? It's a no-win situation.