Thierno Barry

[Gary1878]

So difficult to judge whether he will be a success or failure based off of a few games. Although you can say that he hasn’t had a good start to life here.

I like the fact that he didn’t like being subbed. He was shaking his head, visibly disappointed and so there is some character there that wants to prove something. It might take him a season to adapt to life in the PL, but is that really his fault if we are relying on him to be the main man at a young age? Not everyone is Haaland and hits it off at the first time of asking.

His miss against Sunderland was God awful but he simply leant back rather than concentrated, composed himself and got his head over the ball. He was in the right place but executed terribly. In isolation, it can happen to any striker, especially young strikers.

I also don’t think Moyes has done him or Beto any favours. Swapping almost every match and being subbed demoralises the players and also gives them no form at all. They have one bad half and they are pulled. We have to allow one of them to come into form, and Moyes has to choose. This plan of in one week and out the other is not working.

I have seen some really nice touches from him in these games to think he has a bright future at the top level. But he looks like he is going to need some time to develop and we have probably bought him a season early (at least).

As fans, we have to really support and want these players to succeed. If we want the best young talent to come here, then it has to be the right environment for them. No point in writing off a player that has barely played a with a manager that keeps chopping and changing. That doesn’t do anyone any favours.

[Free Agent]

But why? And more importantly - how?

What are they doing over there? What is their secret sauce because we need a few bottles of it right now!

Patience.

Last season they had Diego Gomez - he was a nobody, looked totally out of place in the PL.
This season, seems he’s adapted, because he was given time.
Because we have such a thin squad of 1st team players, any player that comes in is going to be under scrutiny even before he’s kicked a ball.

[Toddacelli]

Patience.

Last season they had Diego Gomez - he was a nobody, looked totally out of place in the PL.
This season, seems he’s adapted, because he was given time.
Because we have such a thin squad of 1st team players, any player that comes in is going to be under scrutiny even before he’s kicked a ball.

I feel like there is also some coaching going into the mix as well. Players don’t just improve randomly over time (despite Wellbeck’s recent form), they need to learn and develop and be coached new ideas and new behaviours.

[777Kidnappings]

Patience.

Last season they had Diego Gomez - he was a nobody, looked totally out of place in the PL.
This season, seems he’s adapted, because he was given time.
Because we have such a thin squad of 1st team players, any player that comes in is going to be under scrutiny even before he’s kicked a ball.

Its incredibly poor team building though isn't it. You cant buy a load of young players who cant contribute now when you need contributions now. These players need loans because we are never going to be comfortable in enough games to carry them while giving them minutes or in Barry's case he'll get minutes that cost us points because all our options are so poor.

On top of these players not being ready are they even the right profiles. Barry doesn't look like a targetman, dibbling isn't a pacy winger, not sure what the left back is or isn't we've seen so little of him

[superpull]

Its incredibly poor team building though isn't it. You cant buy a load of young players who cant contribute now when you need contributions now. These players need loans because we are never going to be comfortable in enough games to carry them while giving them minutes or in Barry's case he'll get minutes that cost us points because all our options are so poor.

On top of these players not being ready are they even the right profiles. Barry doesn't look like a targetman, dibbling isn't a pacy winger, not sure what the left back is or isn't we've seen so little of him

But that's exactly what Brighton do.

But you have to accept that when you start following this model you will have a couple of years of being shit - until the first crop start to come good.
The players we buy next year won't be ready for a year or two either.
The following year we may start seeing the results.

As @Free Agent said, patience is the difference.

[777Kidnappings]

But that's exactly what Brighton do.

But you have to accept that when you start following this model you will have a couple of years of being shit - until the first crop start to come good.
The players we buy next year won't be ready for a year or two either.
The following year we may start seeing the results.

As @Free Agent said, patience is the difference.

The problem is though we were already shit . We cant just not field a right back because we've a 40m young winger sitting on the bench. Also I might be wrong because im not looking that closely but it does also feel like Brighton have had plenty of short term success too with these types of signings and at cheaper price points.

I think there's a dangerous assumption these are great prospects who just need time. Previous evidence of our club and the limited evidence of watching them play to me makes it more likely that we've just bought poorly again.

I feel like we spent another window making statements rather than being competent. Be very pleasantly surprised if today's investment in dibbling and Barry is 1 we ever break even on. Feels like we saw a couple of videos of someone saying dibbling was worth 100m and xaw Barry had some top flight goals and that was our scouting done

[Toddacelli]

The problem is though we were already shit . We cant just not field a right back because we've a 40m young winger sitting on the bench. Also I might be wrong because im not looking that closely but it does also feel like Brighton have had plenty of short term success too with these types of signings and at cheaper price points.

I think there's a dangerous assumption these are great prospects who just need time. Previous evidence of our club and the limited evidence of watching them play to me makes it more likely that we've just bought poorly again.

I feel like we spent another window making statements rather than being competent. Be very pleasantly surprised if today's investment in dibbling and Barry is 1 we ever break even on. Feels like we saw a couple of videos of someone saying dibbling was worth 100m and xaw Barry had some top flight goals and that was our scouting done

My heart does not want to accept what you’re saying, but my head is worried you could be right.

My biggest worry though, is that we are missing the middle bit that Brighton have.

After the scouting, for better or worse, but before we see players come good on the pitch, however much patience you give a player, they must also be coaching them. Actively putting in work to improve players in physical, mental and emotional ways. I see very little evidence of us doing this.

Our system seems to be to stick the on for a bit - nope still shit. Stick them on for a bit - nope still shit. In these short cameos we see no evidence of the coaching. We don’t see better runs, better link ups better positionality. I’m not saying coaching doesn’t happen, I’m saying it’s not effective.

[777Kidnappings]

My heart does not want to accept what you’re saying, but my head is worried you could be right.

My biggest worry though, is that we are missing the middle bit that Brighton have.

After the scouting, for better or worse, but before we see players come good on the pitch, however much patience you give a player, they must also be coaching them. Actively putting in work to improve players in physical, mental and emotional ways. I see very little evidence of us doing this.

Our system seems to be to stick the on for a bit - nope still shit. Stick them on for a bit - nope still shit. In these short cameos we see no evidence of the coaching. We don’t see better runs, better link ups better positionality. I’m not saying coaching doesn’t happen, I’m sayinyg it’s not effective.

We have no platform for these young players fo get minutes and succeed because there's too many of them at once and we arent very good. They should be coming on when we are a couple of goals up in games but we are never that. We've spent about 80m on players who need a loan.

Where's the platform for a young raw left back when we don't even have a full back on the other side. Where's the platform for dibblig when we are already completely devoid of pace and have nothing helping offensively from fullback. How can we accept Barry's misses when we have beto who's wasting chances too. Wrong players. Wrong profiles. Wrong time

Its been done now and maybe that means moyes has to go to get fresh eyes on what we've got