Shogun wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:52 pm
Moyes does feel like the wrong man. Anzou, Barry, Dibling... Not one of them has he been able to get quality out of so far. When you look at the work he's done with the England U21s, I can't help but think Carsley could have been the right man for the job.
And yes, I know he'd have been a big risk and I know it would have been 'mental'. Not quite as mental as Brentford giving their set piece coach the main gig though.
I'm still mildly in the camp of overall Moyes probably knows what he's doing here. It's really hard to judge for me as we're still only 10 games in, and while they might be quality there with those three and others, it's hard to say we've really seen it yet in the snippets we've seen. Barry has had the most chances but it's hard to solidly argue he's looked ready at this level. I think when AFCON comes around we're going to be seeing more from Dibling and others and with that in mind hopefully we see them slowly given more time. Very hard to guess on Aznou, the only things we've really got to go on are some rather unsure reviews from the u21s games he's participated in.
I don't know, it's hard to completely defend, and it's really going to depend if we're still giving them a lack of opportunities as the season goes on.
Shogun wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:52 pm
Moyes does feel like the wrong man. Anzou, Barry, Dibling... Not one of them has he been able to get quality out of so far. When you look at the work he's done with the England U21s, I can't help but think Carsley could have been the right man for the job.
And yes, I know he'd have been a big risk and I know it would have been 'mental'. Not quite as mental as Brentford giving their set piece coach the main gig though.
Toddacelli wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 6:12 am
Possibly.
But also if he’s basing it on what he sees in training, I think McNeil just provided the text book definition of why that is not a reliable metric.
Yeah im not really disagreeing on mcneil. I think there's just been a huge disconnect between the recruitment team and moyes and if that was the case 1 of the 2 should have been removed in the summer. We cant really expect moyes to play players he didnt want and doesn't rate. He doesn't come out of tbe recruitment clean either though cos I suspect KDH is his
I think ultimately its just been the latest in a long line of shambles. They arent good enough. They arent ready. They arent the right profiles and sometimes not even the right positions.
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 7:21 am
Yeah im not really disagreeing on mcneil. I think there's just been a huge disconnect between the recruitment team and moyes and if that was the case 1 of the 2 should have been removed in the summer. We cant really expect moyes to play players he didnt want and doesn't rate. He doesn't come out of tbe recruitment clean either though cos I suspect KDH is his
I think ultimately its just been the latest in a long line of shambles. They arent good enough. They arent ready. They arent the right profiles and sometimes not even the right positions.
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Yeah I can’t decide if I am rationally disagreeing with your player assessment or just irrationally hoping there is something good and there to work with, but we just haven’t seen it yet or they’ve not had enough time.
ilikebrunettesisback wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 12:50 pm
Whats more likely is we have a manager thats not very good...
Since he left us:
Utd - SACKED
Sociedad - SACKED
Sunderland - SACKED
West Ham - SACKED X 2
Everton isn't it. Theres no limit on whos not good enough. Im not looking to absolve anyone of blame. Don't know how anyone could look at the window and think it was anything but an utter shambles for the short term and extremely questionable longer term.
I think the point we should all agree on is if moyes and the recruitment teams visions are so at odds as they appear to be then moyes should have been removed in the summer
ilikebrunettesisback wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 12:50 pm
Whats more likely is we have a manager thats not very good...
Since he left us:
Utd - SACKED
Sociedad - SACKED
Sunderland - SACKED
West Ham - SACKED X 2
To add, United were massively in transition after their greatest ever manager left, and he had a poor, ageing squad of bellends to contend with, Moyes’ pragmatism was never going to fly in Spain, and Sunderland and West Ham were/are basket case clubs (Sunderland seem to have pulled their finger out since)
As a caveat, I’m definitely not a Moyes apologist either, I’d much rather we had a more progressive, modern manager in charge.
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 12:57 pm
Everton isn't it. Theres no limit on whos not good enough. Im not looking to absolve anyone of blame. Don't know how anyone could look at the window and think it was anything but an utter shambles for the short term and extremely questionable longer term.
I think the point we should all agree on is if moyes and the recruitment teams visions are so at odds as they appear to be then moyes should have been removed in the summer
Yep, I think my mistake was thinking of these signings this summer as additions, because we ended with a fairly solid base.
Actually some of them were replacements because we had so many players leaving the club and if you view them as replacements for instead of additions to, then you have to say a lot of what we bought is not ready and not good enough for right now.
People on here always say that Moyes didn't want half these players but Paddy Boyland has said multiple times he was heavily involved in all transfers, so who knows eh?
Moyes though regardless is a safety first manager which is always going to be an issue with signing young high risk players. So whatever say he did or didn't have he's probably not the right man for this squad, and this is essentially a squad makeup that we all wanted of young high potential players.
So he either adapts or the Friedkins will look at their investments and decide it's cheaper and easier to jettison the manager than scrap the project.
Up to Moyes to show he's able to move with the times otherwise he'll be out the door pronto.
Also as I've mentioned multiple times I like Moyes and would rather he got it right than be sacked, but also I look at the West Ham team he left behind and I'm glad he didn't have carte blanche on the transfers... For the long term good of the club imo we went the right way with these transfers, there's enough to work with as they are and the current squad, even if it's got gaping holes... I think a less stubborn and pragmatic manager has this team comfortably mid table at the end of the season, so Moyes has to match that whilst developing the youngsters or he's failed to achieve what he should be and someone else could.
sam of the south wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 1:17 pm
To add, United were massively in transition after their greatest ever manager left, and he had a poor, ageing squad of bellends to contend with, Moyes’ pragmatism was never going to fly in Spain, and Sunderland and West Ham were/are basket case clubs (Sunderland seem to have pulled their finger out since)
As a caveat, I’m definitely not a Moyes apologist either, I’d much rather we had a more progressive, modern manager in charge.
Pmsl... They were league champions when Moyes took over. Complete rewriting of history.
