Kerryblueboy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:09 pm
There’s a surprise you writing a young player off I was making the point this young man ain’t going to be able to play the target man long ball merchant dyche wants for his striker so unless there is a change of coach no point hoping for big things from this talented boy
I'm not writing him off. I'm saying he looked good at the end of the season and he's been injured the entire time since. Coming on and blaming anyone for not using him right is utterly ridiculous at this point
You have also called for the inclusion of dobbin, cannon and simms..... all 3 not doing much in the championship. Essentially you're just blaming the manager for the failure of every young player. It's silly. I'm happy for dyche to go today. I'm really not fussed. It's you who's irrational. You think everything is his fault
777Kidnappings wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 1:21 pm
Finished the season well. Can't believe he hasn't featured more this season. Same with the likes of Cannon, Dobbin and Simms. A proper coach would have them flying. Don't even get me started on the Scottish cafu
He’s not been available since the end of last season, only just returned to training.
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:37 pm
I think that's a sound idea though and one we've been demanding. Chermiti has already showed he's got something about him and looks like he might be someone we can move for profit down the line.
I was skeptical about him but those couple of performances last season turned me round on him. Even if he just ends up a decent squad player down the line it'll have been a fairly decent buy.
Yeah I've got no problem with Chermiti, think he's quite promising, but it didn't sound like a player he wanted to be spending limited money on at the time,the way he was talking about him was similar to how he talked about OBrien.
brap[emoji638] wrote:Reading between the lines of a throwaway comment on toffee TV, was signed for another manager that textor had lined up.
Wonder if that explains his lack of mins?
£[emoji6]m commitment on a player the manager has no interest in entertaining. Fab work blues!
Or, you know, options. A young player still developing. We all know how cautious Dyche is. Not everything has to be a conspiracy theory. I know it gets clicks.
Jamokachi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 2:10 am
Or, you know, options. A young player still developing. We all know how cautious Dyche is. Not everything has to be a conspiracy theory. I know it gets clicks.
Yeah he's doing some serious development sat on his arse, fourth choice CB at one of the worst clubs in the prem is his level we shouldn't have spent anything on him. We should have used that money elsewhere.
Dyche doesn't fancy him, and will probably be gone before he's playing.
Someone said along the lines of - it's odd he came here if we said he'd be 4th choice, and one of the other fellas said, well textor had two other managers lined up which he had assurances about.
brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:19 am
Yeah he's doing some serious development sat on his arse, fourth choice CB at one of the worst clubs in the prem is his level we shouldn't have spent anything on him. We should have used that money elsewhere.
Dyche doesn't fancy him, and will probably be gone before he's playing.
Someone said along the lines of - it's odd he came here if we said he'd be 4th choice, and one of the other fellas said, well textor had two other managers lined up which he had assurances about.
It's not exactly steel beams.
Wasn't particularly expensive, still young with plenty of time to develop and we needed another CB otherwise a couple of injuries would have seen us with Holgate at CB.
Having 4 capable CBs has helped push Keane to his best performances for years, competition is healthy. Just up to JOB to push himself in to the team with his attitude and taking any chances he gets.
He's a big tall CB who looks like a pretty perfect Dyche type defender so I'm not buying in to these conspiracy theories.
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:44 am
Wasn't particularly expensive, still young with plenty of time to develop and we needed another CB otherwise a couple of injuries would have seen us with Holgate at CB.
Having 4 capable CBs has helped push Keane to his best performances for years, competition is healthy. Just up to JOB to push himself in to the team with his attitude and taking any chances he gets.
He's a big tall CB who looks like a pretty perfect Dyche type defender so I'm not buying in to these conspiracy theories.
He's much more expensive than we can afford to piss away surely?
What would a 15m left back had done for us this year? Or a £15m CB who can actually play? Or two £7m wingers? Or a £15m wide forward?
It's too expensive on a player the manager doesn't feel is right. It's very very obvious dyche isn't having him. I'm not saying that's because JOB is a bad player. It's because dyche is a stubborn bastard.
He wasn't even fancying ndiaye for a few weeks. He got that man in training and said nah we'll see. And now he is using him it's to drag the ball up the line while McNeil wastes space in the middle.
Dreadful stuff. But no surprise to see you rationalising tbh.
brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 9:19 am
Yeah he's doing some serious development sat on his arse, fourth choice CB at one of the worst clubs in the prem is his level we shouldn't have spent anything on him. We should have used that money elsewhere.
Dyche doesn't fancy him, and will probably be gone before he's playing.
Someone said along the lines of - it's odd he came here if we said he'd be 4th choice, and one of the other fellas said, well textor had two other managers lined up which he had assurances about.
It's not exactly steel beams.
Easy to say we should have used the money elsewhere, but we don't have any. We've need to wheel and deal everywhere we can (until the takeover at least). We needed CB options and leveraging the relationship with Textor I'm sure made sense. Just with Mangala. 15m spent here doesn't mean there was 15m to spend elsewhere.
Rationale would be a lovely thing to apply from time to time.
Jamokachi wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:16 am
Easy to say we should have used the money elsewhere, but we don't have any. We've need to wheel and deal everywhere we can (until the takeover at least). We needed CB options and leveraging the relationship with Textor I'm sure made sense. Just with Mangala. 15m spent here doesn't mean there was 15m to spend elsewhere.
Rationale would be a lovely thing to apply from time to time.
Okay thanks for the advice. It's working v well for us this year, hope to see this applied to more of our business in the future.
You do understand that I am saying - even if this is the logic they DOF (or whoever) has gone for, it is ultimately not working out because the manager doesn't rate him...so what's the fucking point?
Dyche doesn't care, he'll be ok MNF talking about Watfords tough start to the season before he sees JOB career kick on.
brap2 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:12 am
He's much more expensive than we can afford to piss away surely?
What would a 15m left back had done for us this year? Or a £15m CB who can actually play? Or two £7m wingers? Or a £15m wide forward?
It's too expensive on a player the manager doesn't feel is right. It's very very obvious dyche isn't having him. I'm not saying that's because JOB is a bad player. It's because dyche is a stubborn bastard.
He wasn't even fancying ndiaye for a few weeks. He got that man in training and said nah we'll see. And now he is using him it's to drag the ball up the line while McNeil wastes space in the middle.
Dreadful stuff. But no surprise to see you rationalising tbh.
And you'd be on here moaning if we'd spent £15m on an LB and then we had a couple of injuries at CB and had to play Holgate.
We're moving pieces around the board and leaving gaps whatever we do because the squad is so shit and the finances are equally as bad.
But yeah it's just Dyche, sure it is. We should totally be playing JOB ahead of Keane who's been one of our best performers lately
Agree about Ndaiye, a player who is a dribble machine who doesn't seem to have much in the way of passing ability should totally be playing in the 10 even though there's not much about his game that suggests he should be played there. Definitely makes sense because... Checks notes... Brap's decided this is the hill he's going to die on this month.
Also the whole 'not fancying Ndaiye' line is just the same dumb shite people trotted out about Branthwaite because he didn't start the first few games of last season... It's fine to bed players in gradually. Just because he didn't start a couple of games first thing doesn't mean anything at all, but of course let's just read whatever we want in to it because it helps our argument eh?
AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 10:31 am
And you'd be on here moaning if we'd spent £15m on an LB and then we had a couple of injuries at CB and had to play Holgate.
We're moving pieces around the board and leaving gaps whatever we do because the squad is so shit and the finances are equally as bad.
But yeah it's just Dyche, sure it is. We should totally be playing JOB ahead of Keane who's been one of our best performers lately
Agree about Ndaiye, a player who is a dribble machine who doesn't seem to have much in the way of passing ability should totally be playing in the 10 even though there's not much about his game that suggests he should be played there. Definitely makes sense because... Checks notes... Brap's decided this is the hill he's going to die on this month.
Also the whole 'not fancying Ndaiye' line is just the same dumb shite people trotted out about Branthwaite because he didn't start the first few games of last season... It's fine to bed players in gradually. Just because he didn't start a couple of games first thing doesn't mean anything at all, but of course let's just read whatever we want in to it because it helps our argument eh?
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