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Cozzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:03 pm Haven't looked at the table in a long while as when we are shite I tend to avoid it as it's depressing enough.

Didn't realise there is quite a gap between us and United now who have Southampton tonight.

Looks like 16th at best even with a good run.

Still think it shouldn't take an awful lot for us to pull away though.

A few signings and formation tweaks that I believe Moyes will do and some favorable fixtures to come should see us start to pull away.

Ipswich are a difficult one, could go either way but I feel they are this seasons Luton.

They will get more than 26 points like but don't believe that football is sustainable enough for the rest of the season.

Don't think 40 will be needed once again so we should be OK.

We aren't likely going to be pulling away, it'll likely go to the end few games. Mid-30s is probably best we can do and we have to hope that's enough.

Ipswich and Wolves are in a way glass cannons. They can score a bunch but they'll often leak goals. The opposite of us really.

The problem is one win is worth 3 grindy draws for us so it doesn't take much them to catch up or potentially overtake if they do get an occasional win.

If we can add some actual firepower to the team that puts us on a much, much more stable footing as we'd then have more of a chance to win games as well as having an ok enough defence.

Biggest positive for me is I do think we have people at the club who can identify a good player, so IF we can spend something we can improve from where we are now. If it was down to just keeping the same squad, no new significant additions, it'd be almost a coin flip for me whether we got relegated or not.

Does feel like suddenly everyone's in agreement that this team is full of poor players now Dyche has gone.

Fynci wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:22 pm Van Nistelrooy is their Frank Lampard. He will send them down.

Sacking Cooper and replacing with Ruud was mental, basically sent themselves down with that decision.

blueToffee wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:19 pm We aren't likely going to be pulling away, it'll likely go to the end few games. Mid-30s is probably best we can do and we have to hope that's enough.

Ipswich and Wolves are in a way glass cannons. They can score a bunch but they'll often leak goals. The opposite of us really.

The problem is one win is worth 3 grindy draws for us so it doesn't take much them to catch up or potentially overtake if they do get an occasional win.

If we can add some actual firepower to the team that puts us on a much, much more stable footing as we'd then have more of a chance to win games as well as having an ok enough defence.

Biggest positive for me is I do think we have people at the club who can identify a good player, so IF we can spend something we can improve from where we are now. If it was down to just keeping the same squad, no new significant additions, it'd be almost a coin flip for me whether we got relegated or not.

The problem between us and Ipswich / Wolves (at the moment) is even if they concede 2 they’re capable of scoring 3. We concede 1 and we’re fucked.

Tarkowski: "Encouraging signs"

There always is, James

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:30 pm Does feel like suddenly everyone's in agreement that this team is full of poor players now Dyche has gone.

Yeah, i think reality has hit home now for a number of fans.
There were plenty posting on here that said there would be no magical turnaround if and when we got rid of Dyche and while there probably was a small amount of improvement last night it was still very worrying.
There's too many not doing it , Harrison, doucoure, and dcl come to mind.
We absolutely have to get some bodies in before the window shuts with a winger and striker being utmost priority.
This lot can't cut the mustard.
Failure to add the squad could be fatal

Bang on

Also Branthwaite has been making more mistakes this season. Hopefully that can be sorted. He’s not Harrison, Doucore & DCL levels of bad and probably isn’t fully up to speed after his injury but we need him at last year levels of consistency

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:30 pm Does feel like suddenly everyone's in agreement that this team is full of poor players now Dyche has gone.

Nobody ever said otherwise, just they many were better than Dyche was allowing and that is still true. Give it more than a couple of training sessions.

Yea if there's one thing you would say about me it's that I'm always saying how good our players are

AjaxAndy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:30 pm Does feel like suddenly everyone's in agreement that this team is full of poor players now Dyche has gone.

Top 12 quality squad a week ago. They really are a bag of shite. Bottom 5 or 6 quality. Possibly the worst balance in the league

1 goal in open play in the last 11 games.

On course to get 34 points this season.

The same squad with a few differences finished 12th last season.

It is possible to think they’re capable of producing a lot better than they have this season whilst still thinking it’s not a good squad of players.

Madness to think this is their level.

TheRam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:48 pm 1 goal in open play in the last 11 games.

On course to get 34 points this season.

The same squad with a few differences finished 12th last season.

It is possible to think they’re capable of producing a lot better than they have this season whilst still thinking it’s not a good squad of players.

Madness to think this is their level.

Within a couple of days of walking through the door Moyes has pretty much said as much as this being their level... You always fail to recognise that Doucoure is half the player he was last season which is a massive reason why we can't do what we did last season, he was key to everything.

We can't recreate last season, that's gone, this team isn't that anymore. Instead of focusing on one season I think we need to look at the multiple seasons where these players have shown over and over again that THIS is their level, and jesus the aren't even the players they were 2-3 years ago.

Yes they can produce better than they have this season but that level is very very minor, Moyes has pulled no punches about that after a couple of days with them... We need to bring some quality in to raise that level in a way the existing players aren't capable of.

TheRam wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:48 pm 1 goal in open play in the last 11 games.

On course to get 34 points this season.

The same squad with a few differences finished 12th last season.

It is possible to think they’re capable of producing a lot better than they have this season whilst still thinking it’s not a good squad of players.

Madness to think this is their level.

I think its there level. Obviously not the goals because that shouldn't be anyone's level but I don't think this lot are much better than 40pts a season

We were better yesterday. We'd hit rock bottom under dyche like we did under benitez and lampard. Don't think there's a significant uptake of points though.

Think 34 might be touch and go to keep us up anyway.

They are absolutely capable of more. A creative player could be transformative but they have the ability to do more themselves.