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Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:49 pm
by NickNack
Big Nevs Vaz wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:40 pm I have huge respect for what he achieved last season.
This season he was clearly spooked by Bournemouth at home and Villa away. His response has been to basically paralyse us as an attacking force so we don’t ship goals when we lose the ball in transition. He can’t appear to get beyond that in any way. That will be his downfall.
The daft thing is, if he’d stuck with the 85 minutes we did well in that game we’d likely be nowhere near the bottom now. It was the end few minutes that were the anomaly not what went before.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:49 pm
by Shogun
AjaxAndy wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:48 pm Still don't get this shout, why would you put a dribble machine who's not good at passing in the 10?

Lindstrom would be far more suited.

Although both of them as dual tens is the magic combo imo, best of both worlds.
He's played there his whole career and has goals and assists coming out of his arse in that position

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:49 pm
by Bob Sacamano
He was fine when he thought he was running the gaff. Once the takeover had a semblance of truth his head fell off.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:51 pm
by 777Kidnappings
Audrey Horne wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:26 pm Bye

Thanks for basically nothing.

Worst we've had
All the good arguments for him being removed are diluted by this nonsense. Did well two seasons running regressed while we are on the verge of becoming a more desirable club. The thanks for nothing and he ruined burnley nonsense makes us seem delusional

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:52 pm
by The Doc
The situation needs the attention drawing to it by fans being vocal. Time to make the change happen.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:52 pm
by sam of the south
AjaxAndy wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:48 pm Still don't get this shout, why would you put a dribble machine who's not good at passing in the 10?

Lindstrom would be far more suited.

Although both of them as dual tens is the magic combo imo, best of both worlds.
Yeah, I’d like the idea of the old Spurs 4222 under Pochettino, but they had slightly better attacking width than Mykolenko and a geriatric Ashley Young. Do think Lindstrom and Ndiaye would suit it, though.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:55 pm
by AjaxAndy
Shogun wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:49 pm He's played there his whole career and has goals and assists coming out of his arse in that position
As more of an SS than an AM / AP though.

Call me crazy but I'd like to see our main creative role be played by someone who can actually slip a clever through ball in to a striker.

If we're playing a 10 I'd want them to be a Maddison / Grielish (when played central) type in a team that kept possession and used it well, not just a Doucoure type of role that's all hustle and bustle without any creativity.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:55 pm
by sam of the south
Bob Sacamano wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:49 pm He was fine when he thought he was running the gaff. Once the takeover had a semblance of truth his head fell off.
Do you think so?

I think the end was the Bournemouth collapse, and since then he went from conservative to utter fascist.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:57 pm
by Big Nevs Vaz
NickNack wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:49 pm The daft thing is, if he’d stuck with the 85 minutes we did well in that game we’d likely be nowhere near the bottom now. It was the end few minutes that were the anomaly not what went before.
Agreed. I’ve been a bit surprised at just how negative the reaction has been. He must see that we have to offer more going forward. As others have said it’s all aimless. No cohesive press this season, no plan to move from back to front other than a big aimless punt. Even the set piece threat that we had has largely gone now. The deliveries were abysmal today.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:57 pm
by Shogun
AjaxAndy wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:55 pm As more of an SS than an AM / AP though.

Call me crazy but I'd like to see our main creative role be played by someone who can actually slip a clever through ball in to a striker.

If we're playing a 10 I'd want them to be a Maddison / Grielish (when played central) type in a team that kept possession and used it well, not just a Doucoure type of role that's all hustle and bustle without any creativity.
Plenty of evidence from his abundance of assists through his career he can slip a ball through. Exceptionally close control and agile. Played there many times in his career.

What's true is he's barely, if ever, played out wide before joining us.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:58 pm
by AjaxAndy
Needs sacking for taking off Lindstrom and Mangala and leaving Young and Doucoure on, that alone should be justification enough.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:01 pm
by Shogun
AjaxAndy wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:58 pm Needs sacking for taking off Lindstrom and Mangala and leaving Young and Doucoure on, that alone should be justification enough.
Wonder how many times he's taken Lindstrom or Harrison off at half time this season? Must be doing wonders for their confidence! (Harrison deserved it last match like)

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:01 pm
by AjaxAndy
Shogun wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:57 pm Plenty of evidence from his abundance of assists through his career he can slip a ball through. Exceptionally close control and agile. Played there many times in his career.

What's true is he's barely, if ever, played out wide before joining us.
I just don't see it mate, fair enough if you do. I like him a lot as a player but I want us to play better football and for that to happen imo you need a genuinely creative passer in there which I don't see Ndaiye ever doing. Another example would be Odegaard, not a dribble machine, a very creative passer who makes things tick in the final third.

I also think he's really good out wide on the left, happy to keep him there but with a different manager and style of play.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:06 pm
by AjaxAndy
Shogun wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:01 pm Wonder how many times he's taken Lindstrom or Harrison off at half time this season? Must be doing wonders for their confidence! (Harrison deserved it last match like)
My first thought when I saw the subs was how he's brought in Lindstrom because Harrison has been so bad and then hooked him at half time meaning his confidence will plummet, and then Dyche will play him again next match and wonder why he plays poorly.

Maddening isn't it?

Also I didn't think Lindstrom was all that bad, first 10 and last 5 or so he was probably out best player. Actually looked like he wanted to make something happen when he eventually got the ball.

Re: Dyche

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:06 pm
by TheRam
Shogun wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:01 pm Wonder how many times he's taken Lindstrom or Harrison off at half time this season? Must be doing wonders for their confidence! (Harrison deserved it last match like)
This is as bad as management gets.

He’s ruined both of them with the constant hooking at half time.

He hasn’t got a clue how to use the attacking players we have.