Jake O'Brien

[AjaxAndy]

The point isn't even about Dyche. It's about you performing mental gymnastics to bore everybody into submission with versions of the same things over and over again all season long (it feels like longer!) and positioning yourself weirdly as the voice of reason, ''fighting the good fight'' as you said the other day.

I'm quite sure you're a nice fella in person.

Your pointless post was babbling on about finding Dyche in bed with the wife, so to say it had nothing to do with Dyche is a bit mad.

If you aren't talking about Dyche maybe, you know, don't talk about Dyche

[NickNack]

Have we ever had a manager cause so much disagreement on here?

[Bluedylan1]

Your pointless post was babbling on about finding Dyche in bed with the wife, so to say it had nothing to do with Dyche is a bit mad.

If you aren't talking about Dyche maybe, you know, don't talk about Dyche

I know you understood the point mate. You're not a dummy. It wasn't even a complex point. I'm sorry if it's challenging for you.

[Jamokachi]

Okay thanks for the advice. It's working v well for us this year, hope to see this applied to more of our business in the future.

You do understand that I am saying - even if this is the logic they DOF (or whoever) has gone for, it is ultimately not working out because the manager doesn't rate him...so what's the fucking point?

Dyche doesn't care, he'll be ok MNF talking about Watfords tough start to the season before he sees JOB career kick on.

There's no point with you these days, dunno why I bother to engage.

10 games there's been this season. Maybe you've gone a little early.

Nice chatting, enjoy your stressing

Actually I need to edit that... it's not you (it is a bit), it's everything around the club at the moment (playing side). And fuck me it's draining. This is supposed to be fun. Enjoyment. A welcome distraction from the hum-drum of everyday life. And at the moment it's the polar opposite. It's fucking bleak in here with petty squabbles, arsie comments, and most of us just being cunts to one another. Maybe time for a break. See you when there's less to moan about. I'll be in the new stadium thread.

[AjaxAndy]

I know you understood the point mate. You're not a dummy. It wasn't even a complex point. I'm sorry if it's challenging for you.

Like I said before you've resorted to pointless immature statements because you can't respond with any actual insight.

You also love to completely omit points that don't back up whatever argument you're trying to make, such as me saying certain performances haven't been good enough, I'd happily swap Dyche for Potter (even going as far as posting his probable formation and how we have the players to play it) etc etc.

But it's fine, you keep posting silly remarks instead of engaging in a proper conversation, it's easier to belittle people with sarcasm than form a coherent argument so if that's your level then I guess that's the best we can expect from you.

[Shogun]

O'Brien has made more impact on here than he has at Everton

[Bluedylan1]

Like I said before you've resorted to pointless immature statements because you can't respond with any actual insight.

You also love to completely omit points that don't back up whatever argument you're trying to make, such as me saying certain performances haven't been good enough, I'd happily swap Dyche for Potter (even going as far as posting his probable formation and how we have the players to play it) etc etc.

But it's fine, you keep posting silly remarks instead of engaging in a proper conversation, it's easier to belittle people with sarcasm than form a coherent argument so if that's your level then I guess that's the best we can expect from you.

I'm sorry you're so upset, And. I've tried discussing points with you, and it honestly becomes a bit of a tedious grind. I'll look forward to another 600 posts from you saying slight variations of the same thing over the coming months.

[AjaxAndy]

I'm sorry you're so upset, And. I've tried discussing points with you, and it honestly becomes a bit of a tedious grind. I'll look forward to another 600 posts from you saying slight variations of the same thing over the coming months.

Again not willing to engage in a conversation and instead just putting something dismissive like '600 posts slight variations'.

You're not even able to accept that the response I had to you initially was that if we'd signed a left back we'd have had no cover at CB if we'd sold Branthwaite late in the window or had to field Holgate if 2 CBs were injured.

The difference between you and me is that I'm willing to explain my rationale on issues, but despite you claiming I just repeat myself (completely different issue to Dyche this one so that makes no sense) you just decide to ignore anything that you can't form a cohesive argument about and resort to 'you're a bore' responses... Of which you keep repeating but I'm sure the irony is lost on you

Everything is bad, everything anyone has done is wrong, please don't ask me to engage in any discussions about this, this is how I feel, don't question it or I'll make immature dismissive replies. That's basically it right? Ok then maybe don't respond to me and I'll repay the favour.

Or actually engage in a discussion, choice is yours.

[Cods]

The ongoing mental gymnastics are really something to behold. There are some on here who could find Dyche in bed with their wife and still find a way to justify it.

''He was just very tired and needed a place to lie down. My marital bed is as good a place as any. Don't you get tired sometimes?''

''My wife's been really tense lately, and it's actually done a lot to help her mood and strengthen our relationship in the longterm''

You can attack/attemp to ridicule the poster, or you can discuss the actual points raised with logic and reasoning.

If we're sticking with the former, is the term 'mental gymnastics' a new one to your vocabulary? If so it's had some solid mileage recently.

[Big Nevs Vaz]

Left out of the Irish squad again. Really hope it turns around for him.

[brap2]

I don't really understand to be absolutely honest.

So we don't trust the source, OK fine let's ignore my original thing about Textor because we don't have any other info on that.

I personally think that signing someone to be 4th choice CB, behind an injured Tark (who's been really poor) and Michael Keane, is baffling. And trying to rationalise it as like oh but he's a young player and we're future planning, is minimalising what is clearly a very odd situation. Not to mention that surely JOB himself hasn't been promised a year on the bench while he loses his international place (out the latest squad again).

I personally think dyche isn't having him. Surely your scouts and analysts and DOF etc know like...what they're getting into with a player enough to know what they're getting.

[Shogun]

I don't really understand to be absolutely honest.

So we don't trust the source, OK fine let's ignore my original thing about Textor because we don't have any other info on that.

I personally think that signing someone to be 4th choice CB, behind an injured Tark (who's been really poor) and Michael Keane, is baffling. And trying to rationalise it as like oh but he's a young player and we're future planning, is minimalising what is clearly a very odd situation. Not to mention that surely JOB himself hasn't been promised a year on the bench while he loses his international place (out the latest squad again).

I personally think dyche isn't having him. Surely your scouts and analysts and DOF etc know like...what they're getting into with a player enough to know what they're getting.

Difficult to know without any knowledge of how we make deals.

Given the way he is in the public view then I imagine Dyche largely shies away from the recruitment side of things because then he can avoid the blame if a signing doesn't work out and it feeds into his "just here to do a job" mantra.

If you're a DOF and the manager is hands off then what do you do? I don't think there's really much you can do except buy the profile of players that you think should be at the club (i.e. young with potential and saleable) and hope they can make a mark, and if they don't then not too much damage done in the future.

As for O'Brien's perceived quality... Dyche didn't really fancy Onana and was leaving him out the side at the end of last season before his £50m move to an English champions league side where he is a starter, so I don't think him not playing under Dyche is much proof of him being a bad player whilst him not playing will be the reason he's not in the Irish squad.

There's definitely a disconnect between manager and recruitment but I'd rather us spend money on the like of Chermiti and O'Brien than someone like Trippier and Brownhill, if only to set things up for the next manager. Obviously the next manager needs to be a lot more aligned.

[TheRam]

Some players just take time don’t they.

I remember Baines and jags taking a while to get into the team.

Felliani was a bit of a farce in his first couple of months.

He’s 23 but he’s not had much top level experience.

Just be patient with him. We don’t have to make this into a big thing.

[Toddacelli]

Have we ever had a manager cause so much disagreement on here?

Say what you want about Benitez, we were pretty fucking unified when he was here. He really pulled the fan base together!

[HANNU]

Say what you want about Benitez, we were pretty fucking unified when he was here. He really pulled the fan base together!

only at the end

seemed to me at the time half the forum was dead against him the other half was saying he was better than Don Carlo after the first 5 or so games

i was dead against it but once he was named manager i tried to get behind him even tho i knew it would go badly

it was only after him sacking all the medical staff, brands quiting and forcing digne out and the absolutely pathetic results that we united against him